SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
It does to me, if the person is in agonizing pain either psychological or physically, every day of his/her life. That takes a huge toll on a person.
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Its not euthanasia, its suicide.
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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Not to you perhaps but plenty do commit suicide even though they appear to have reasonable lives.
My goodness you folks make out like the conditions she has are somehow like the mental illness version of childbirth.
There are many more people who live with these conditions and are able to live normal lives if given the right kind of help.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
You don't think that physical and/or psychological pain and agony take a huge toll on people?
I know this to be true myself, from having to deal with debilitating panic attacks for two decades now. And I know there are conditions much, much worse than that.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Conclusions and recommendations. Your just going to have to read it. It's all there.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Nope.
It isn't.
And you not being willing to show what parts you twisted in order to fit your narrative....
We are discussing the OP; she has 3 conditions that many people live with. They can be managed effectively if one is willing to try. She can take steps to mitigate that suffering instead of her seeming to wallow in it. She's not exactly suffering shell shock and facing the trauma of watching all her friends die horribly; she's fine.
I sometimes wonder than 21st century people have a much lower tolerance for suffering.
LadyJane
Member
Consider the difference between living with endless emotional turmoil and an intense yet finite physical pain that ends with a wonderful reward.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I don't think we know nearly enough about the person in the OP to determine much of anything.
Nor to judge her. Nor to assume "she's fine" just because she didn't see her friends die horribly.
I do know that there are a certain population of people who suffer from severe, treatment-resistance depression, as I wrote a paper it many years ago now.
I do, I do live with endless emotional turmoil with my own mood disorder; and I have considered killing myself several times.
But here I am.
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As I've said before: this doesn't matter.
She is living her life. She is progressing. She is fine.
For **** sake, almost everyone in history had it harder than her, poor thing.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
It's almost as if you're suggesting just because one person can cope with particular issue/s then everybody else should.
And one's internal life may have aspects hidden from other people, even one's nearest and dearest.
I'm quite gobsmacked at the "pull yourself together I'm coping" attitude. My choices about my life are my concern and no-one else.
LadyJane
Member
That makes you one of the lucky ones.
Why should everyone else's despair be a reflection of yours?
I'm not lucky; I took charge of my own life with the help of both medication and lifestyle changes, changing my outlook and environment.
Everyone is capable of this if he has reason.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Fine. Stay in denial.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Agreed. Yet she's being told by so called professionals it's useless to continue.
That's the real tragedy of it.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
not accepting unsupported bold empty claims is not denial.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
I get the same feeling, except for the "big bag of money" part. When I interact with the medical service industry, I'm reminded that I'm a "little bag of money."
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
That's one of the great things about your country though. Hail the untrammeled free market! We'll have none of that evil socialism here!
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
Well, no, the market here is a mess due to the imposition of socialist policies onto our free-market system. If it were untrammeled, costs would be more reasonable.
Either way, only compulsory socialism is evil. Voluntary socialism is morally benign.