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It's Magic
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madhatter85
Transhumanist
i don't believe so. i see miracles all the time that are normal and do not disobey the "laws of science"
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Miracles as miracles are only convincing to the beholder.
Regards,
Scott
Regards,
Scott
But what makes that a religious miracle, then? Don't miracles generally occur spontaneously to the person to whom they are revealed?No. Somebody could burn their toasted cheese just enough so that an image of the Virgin Mary appears.
All of that is covered under the laws of science.
I was just joking. I don't think it is a miracle anymore than I think it is a miracle when the Virgin Mary appears on a viaduct wall after a rainstorm, or worse yet, after somebody urinated
However, some people do classify such events as miracles.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
In1863, Baha`u'llah wasvisited by arepresentative ofoneof the primereligious schools in Karbila. The assembled mullahin requested Him to perform a miracle to convince the divines of Baha`u'llah's claim to revelation.
The younger professor of religion who came to Baha`u'llah with the challenge was very respectful. Baha`u'llah said He would perform any miracle IF the divines could agree as to what that miraclemight be. They also must agree to accept Baha`u'llah as aProphet of God if the miracle was performed.
The young scholartookBaha`u'llah's counter challenge back home.The professors of the school spent months trying to agree on a miracle. They decided they would not match the challenge for fear Baha`u'llah would deliver on Hisclaim.
The young professor was offended by the behavior ofhis masters, and carried their refusal to meet Baha`u'llah's requirements to Baha`u'llah. When he met with Baha`u'llah the young man accepted Baha`u'llah's claim and never returned to his school in Karbila.
Even amiracle that never takes place can convince.
Regards,
Scott
The younger professor of religion who came to Baha`u'llah with the challenge was very respectful. Baha`u'llah said He would perform any miracle IF the divines could agree as to what that miraclemight be. They also must agree to accept Baha`u'llah as aProphet of God if the miracle was performed.
The young scholartookBaha`u'llah's counter challenge back home.The professors of the school spent months trying to agree on a miracle. They decided they would not match the challenge for fear Baha`u'llah would deliver on Hisclaim.
The young professor was offended by the behavior ofhis masters, and carried their refusal to meet Baha`u'llah's requirements to Baha`u'llah. When he met with Baha`u'llah the young man accepted Baha`u'llah's claim and never returned to his school in Karbila.
Even amiracle that never takes place can convince.
Regards,
Scott
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
What about to complex people?
Complex people might assume that some natural metaphysical powers of the human being, lost in the distant past yet latent in every newborn, are unlocked and restored in some individuals of exceptional DNA bloodlines by certain esoteric religious processes. The use of these powers, especially in an ancient setting, qualified one as a god or super-natural being, whose deeds were deemed "miraculous". Jesus, Buddha, Krsna, Zoroaster...think. Makes sense to me, course, you will probably say I'm crazy, neverheless...
Paraprakrti
Custom User
"Miracles" are for the less intelligent. if it happens, it has a scientific explanation, whether or not that explanation or law is known. As a matter of fact, God and souls may be part of the scientific equation that we just don't understand yet.
Your attitude has a name, it's called "scientism."
What makes the person who provides "supernatural" as an explanation less intelligent than the person who claims that there is a scientific explanation, we just don't have it yet? Surely, even from the view of scientism, both are degrees of ignorance?Your attitude has a name, it's called "scientism."
I think he means if "miracles" have explanations as superpowers with mechanisms by which they work, then they are not supernatural in the sense simple people mean by "miraculous".
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Perhaps it only has to defy the observer's knowledge or understanding of the facts and science to be a "miracle."
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
No. Somebody could burn their toasted cheese just enough so that an image of the Virgin Mary appears.
All of that is covered under the laws of science.
That's actually my neighbor, Doris. Hail Doris!
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
A religious miracle validates God's presence.
Regards,
Scott
Regards,
Scott
