israel-lebanon, the power of propaganda

[Ody]

the everlasting myth!!!
tell me honestly, by the name of allah, how can you justify killing 1000 civilians by airstrikng, hundereds of children and women among them, to hunt down hisbullah?
hisbullah lost 50 fighters most of them on the battlefront, this's not my words, this's what news tell us.

Actually, it really is what Hizbollah tells us, the Associated Press and others haven't really infiltrated Hizbollah and only really go on what bodys they can find themselves or the numbers told to them by the militants.

How can you justify it?

By the fact for all we know 2000 Israeli civlians can be killed from those rocket locations.

 

[sindbad5]

Gotta blame the Jews! Of course,

alan,
no, i don't blame the jews, you do know exactly what i mean, (not like you who generalise and blame muslims)

ofcourse a great section of jews people don't agree with these attrocities, and have nothing to do with it.

by the way, why every time someone critisise israel, he become guilty of anti-semetism or anti-jews, or anti-israel, ... bla bla bla

those who target pregnant mothers and participated in the Passover Massacre are victims and innocent, I mean the dead are just zionists! *sarcasm off*

ohh, alan,
i advice you not to come to mention massacres, at least not before blood of a 1000 lebanese martyrs dry (400 of them children), just don't remind me :no:, i ran off the TV because of this

 

[sindbad5]

Actually, it really is what Hizbollah tells us,

and it happened to be hisbullah is much more honest than israelies

How can you justify it?

justify what?
i asked a question and you didn't answer, again, " how can you justify killing 1000 civilians by airstrikng, hundereds of children and women among them, to hunt down hisbullah?"

By the fact for all we know 2000 Israeli civlians can be killed from those rocket locations.

"2000 ISRAELI CIVILIANS COULD BE KILLED"
i don't understand you,
do you mean you wish that happened to balance the israel situation with lebanon against the people of the world ? or what?

 

[Ody]

and it happened to be hisbullah is much more honest than israelies

Israel is under the obigations of a representative democracy to tell the truth to it's people and the world.

 

[Ody]

i don't understand you,

Would or could, depends on how much Syria is willing to give from its chemical weapons to Hizbollah. Or how much Syria has already given.

Its called typos.

As for the chosen part, well due to a thing called grammar, it smells of Irony.

 

[Ody]

alan,
no, i don't blame the jews, you do know exactly what i mean, (not like you who generalise and blame muslims)

Quote me then.

To blame all violence on the 'zionists' is foolish and bigoted.

 

[sindbad5]

Israel is under the obigations of a representative democracy to tell the truth to it's people and the world.

yes, i agree israel has some kind of democracy, and this means the roof of transperancy is higher, but still there's roof, right?

in times of war, governments pose rules and procedures to prevent the internal front from breaking down.

taking into consideration that israel is a military society, armed forces superiority mean much to people thier,
we can consider israel as "an army has a state, not as a state has an army".

and since this army didn't do anything on the ground, but massacres to massacres and failures to failures, so israeli government have to tell lies, and have to fabricate propaganda to cover what's happening.



based on this, israel government have to tell lies, and have to make a strong propaganda

 

[sindbad5]

Would or could, depends on how much Syria is willing to give from its chemical weapons to Hizbollah. Or how much Syria has already given.

Its called typos.

As for the chosen part, well due to a thing called grammar, it smells of Irony.

ah, now i understand.
frist, syria can't do that, i mean can't expose itself to a very strong reaction not from israel only but from america, and we all know america and israel fight side by side in this lebanese war, besides, arabs don't use these weapons (from an islamic point of view)

second, people in israel have thier fears, they are people, mothers, fathers, sons, uncles.
they want to live and work in peace, right?

do you think the way israel treat its nieghburs bring peace and security to its people?
if this generations of arabs are weak, the next generation will be stronger, crussades stayed for 200 years, and guess what? they defeated and quicked back.

it's better for israel to consider the way of peace. because the way of war will not do anything except flamming the fear, hatred, and reveange.

 

[jewscout]

i agree alan that there are way too many problems with the peace agreement, however i think that if (perhaps this is wishfull thinking on my part) that if israel would have just said fine we will pull back to the 67 line, how about....... that some real progress could have come of this. it's called compromise, even a baby step is a step in the right direction.

pulling back to the 1967 borders is not compromise, dear almifkhar, it is saying that israel is willing to place itself in a strategic handicap against neighbors who still wish to see it destroyed. Hamas sees such a move as a first step in Israel's destruction. Also the question of Jerusalem arises as well. I find it interesting that of all the peoples of faith in the world it is the Jews who are being told are not permitted control over their most holy city and site. The muslims control Mecca and Medina, the Catholic's Rome...yet i am forbidden to walk onto the Temple Mount and even recite the Shema...i'm forbidden to walk onto the mount, period, or i will be escorted off simply because i am a jew!

it's centrality as the single most holiest site in Judaism and it's importance in Jewish culture is unquestionable yet i am told as a jew that my people can not control this place, why? because of politics?:sarcastic

 

[Ody]

and since this army didn't do anything on the ground, but massacres to massacres and failures to failures, so israeli government have to tell lies, and have to fabricate propaganda to cover what's happening.

The mind that alters, alters all. I have no reason to continue this debate.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

pulling back to the 1967 borders is not compromise, dear almifkhar, it is saying that israel is willing to place itself in a strategic handicap against neighbors who still wish to see it destroyed. Hamas sees such a move as a first step in Israel's destruction. Also the question of Jerusalem arises as well. I find it interesting that of all the peoples of faith in the world it is the Jews who are being told are not permitted control over their most holy city and site. The muslims control Mecca and Medina, the Catholic's Rome...yet i am forbidden to walk onto the Temple Mount and even recite the Shema...i'm forbidden to walk onto the mount, period, or i will be escorted off simply because i am a jew!

it's centrality as the single most holiest site in Judaism and it's importance in Jewish culture is unquestionable yet i am told as a jew that my people can not control this place, why? because of politics?:sarcastic

Isn't "politics" the reason why people are continually killing one another in that region, as well as many others.

Seems like a good enough reason to me.

Until we can learn how to get along without going for eachothers' throats, we're going to be miserable.

 

[sindbad5]

The mind that alters, alters all. I have no reason to continue this debate.

no problem,
i don't want to be provocative, but you really don't have nothing to say.
israel destroys a whole nieghbur country and kill hundreds of civilians just to release 2 captive soldiers???

what kind of future peace can be reached with this state?
what kind of monster lies on our border?

after 60 years of wars, most people on the mideast come to realise the painful reality, this time, people fight, not the official armies, and i guess this's the begining.
from now on, israel will fight directly, face to face, with the people, it becomes fatal- thanks to israel choices.

 

[almifkhar]

jewscout

i for one don't think it's right for jews to be refused entry into their most holy of places. the reason why is to keep down the violence. as you know one thing that is never to flow on the temple mount is blood and it has. many times the mosque has been shot up with people praying in it by freaks which ruin their own cause. there are folks out there who are plotting to tear down the mosque and build the thrid temple and they use the holy books as their propaganda tool to do it so jesus will return. this saddly is the reason why jews have been exculded from this most holy of sites (for jews) yes it is politics, but at this point in time, i hate to say it, it is neccessary to keep the blood from flowing on such a sacred site. if it wern't for these freaks and those who send money their way, i am sure jews would be allowed to pray there. one way to look at it i think is that the time has not yet come and god did not yet give his blessings and this should above all be respected. your time will come and you know it, patience is a virtue.

i admit i don't have the answers for all of this besides exposing the tyrants who hide behind religious flags, and for the solders on all sides to simply walk off the battlefields and every one refuse to fight. these two ideas of mine will never happen saddly

as i said, the proposal put down by the arabs for the israeli gov. was a baby step which could have been built on, however, israel flat out refused and how does peace even have a chance when one party straight up refuses to so much as compromise? it can't and if one walks out on a olive branch, what is left?

 

[sindbad5]

pulling back to the 1967 borders is not compromise, dear almifkhar, it is saying that israel is willing to place itself in a strategic handicap against neighbors who still wish to see it destroyed.

jewscout, you absolutly right :shout
why you think these ungratful plastenians want that?
they should thank israel to let them live till now, instead, they shout and make a noise to distort israel image and falsely sketch it as a monster !!!

Hamas sees such a move as a first step in Israel's destruction.

who's come first? the car or the horse?
who's come first? the resistance or the occupation?
if you answer this question in honest way, you will find it more lucrative to work on making israel stop everlasting aggression on its nieghbors, and to give palestinians thier lands and stop stealing water resources from them.

Also the question of Jerusalem arises as well. I find it interesting that of all the peoples of faith in the world it is the Jews who are being told are not permitted control over their most holy city and site.

this "most holy city and site" is also "most holy city and site" for both muslims and chrestians.
jewscout;
"most holy cities and sites" is not a cake.

...yet i am forbidden to walk onto the Temple Mount and even recite the Shema...i'm forbidden to walk onto the mount, period, or i will be escorted off simply because i am a jew!

no one has the right to prevent you from doing your prayer.
it's a genuine basic concept in islam (i guess you know that)
also, islam recognize chrestianity and judiasm

but also, no one can allow you to do your prayer inside a mosque, as i can't do my prayer inside a jewish temple.

and what's this "temple mount"? you mean al aqsa mosque?
ahh, you mean you want to destroy the 3rd holly mosque of islam to build your temple who you claim it was exist before 2000 years ???

hehe, and we come and be shocked of the atrocities now being commited in palestine and lebanon on israel hands???

it's centrality as the single most holiest site in Judaism and it's importance in Jewish culture is unquestionable yet i am told as a jew that my people can not control this place, why? because of politics?:sarcastic

is't all about your people control this place? why your people? all your people count around 14, 15 million, where my people 14000 milion, and chrestian people even more than that.
by your logic, your people have the least privilege to control this place.

at contrast, my logic tells me this city is for all 3 religions, nothing should be destroyed, and nothing should stop the pilgrims all over the world to come. anyone agree with me?