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Is the Super Mario Bros movie anti-woke?

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I mean... "attacked".

To quote from the film Casablanca "We can't regulate the feelings of our people". Pro-life activists have MURDERED doctors. Perhaps they objected to that.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
To quote from the film Casablanca "We can't regulate the feelings of our people". Pro-life activists have MURDERED doctors. Perhaps they objected to that.
Murder is murder. Just as pro-death supporters fire-bomb pregnancy center is still wrong. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it. Right?

But you did notice I supported my position with evidence ;)
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Oh I understand. It is your progressive viewpoint that makes your statement seem so upset. It's like you are saying "I don't agree with you and you aren't allowed to have a different opinion".
I am saying it is impossible for someone to be live and let live if this person is against someone receiving medical treatment.
Hardly. There is no substantive study that supports your position
There's no substantive study showing it's a medical treatment for a diagnosis? It's in the DSM for ****s sake and the WPATH Stamdards of Care outline the medical treatment procedures.
Thats a new height of dumb just to make a pathetic attempt at making yourself look cool.
There is, by the way, a 1% regret rate. That is very low for a medical procedure.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
But in reality, are you an actual conservative? :p Trump isn't. Nor is DeSantis. Nor is Jordan. etc.
But I AM!

And I am like Him! :D Capitalism with a heart of social'ism working through it all.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I am saying it is impossible for someone to be live and let live if this person is against someone receiving medical treatment.

And I am all for any treatment when they are adults. :)

There's no substantive study showing it's a medical treatment for a diagnosis? It's in the DSM for ****s sake and the WPATH Stamdards of Care outline the medical treatment procedures.
Thats a new height of dumb just to make a pathetic attempt at making yourself look cool.
There is, by the way, a 1% regret rate. That is very low for a medical procedure.

And this is the "love" that progressive give every time. I "love" you just as long as you agree with me. In my faith, Jesus loves everyone including you and me. (Within the context of my signature)

Side note... US is far behind Sweden in their understanding. That is why Sweden put a halt to it. They were the "avant-garde" of transitioning. Now UK, France and Finland have followed suite. They follow the science.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Oh I understand. It is your progressive viewpoint that makes your statement seem so upset. It's like you are saying "I don't agree with you and you aren't allowed to have a different opinion".



Hardly. There is no substantive study that supports your position while there is ample evidence of children changing their position as they grow - thus "18"

Sweden, a leading trans-affirming country, has now made a U-turn because the evidence is overwhelming in my favor.


You are starting to sound like you are for experimentation on children.
I wouldn’t say U Turn. A stricter criteria to meet perhaps. But puberty blockers, cross hormones and psychological care are still being used, according to your link. It’s just trying to balance identifying and treating gender dysphoria in youth, with a changing identity that is often fluid by nature during puberty. Which I would say was bound to happen, given our expanding knowledge of gender identities in humans. Sometimes treatments that are offered can be (for lack of a better word) rather broadly applied. Which in turn need to be refined and the category of recipients tightened. That happens to most medical treatments.
And indeed there are a lot of nuances to this that professionals need to work with and identify. That it changes going forward just means that humans are complicated. Who knew?
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I wouldn’t say U Turn. A stricter criteria to meet perhaps. But puberty blockers, cross hormones and psychological care are still being used, according to your link. It’s just trying to balance identifying and treating gender dysphoria in youth, with a changing identity that is often fluid by nature during puberty. Which I would say was bound to happen, given our expanding knowledge of gender identities in humans. Sometimes treatments that are offered can be (for lack of a better word) rather broadly applied. Which in turn need to be refined and the category of recipients tightened. That happens to most medical treatments.
And indeed there are a lot of nuances to this that professionals need to work with and identify. That it changes going forward just means that humans are complicated. Who knew?
I found this point important.

"According to Karolinska’s newest policy, which went into effect in May 2021, going forward, hormonal (puberty blocking and cross-sex hormone) interventions for gender-dysphoric minors may only be provided in a research setting approved by Sweden’s ethics review board."

So... basically not for the general public.

Think about it, there really hasn't been enough time to have data on physical side effects, long term effects, psychological effects over time, et al.

It really is a HUGE change of position.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I found this point important.

"According to Karolinska’s newest policy, which went into effect in May 2021, going forward, hormonal (puberty blocking and cross-sex hormone) interventions for gender-dysphoric minors may only be provided in a research setting approved by Sweden’s ethics review board."

So... basically not for the general public.

Think about it, there really hasn't been enough time to have data on physical side effects, long term effects, psychological effects over time, et al.

It really is a HUGE change of position.
Considering trans individuals make up less than 1 percent of the worldwide population, (according to latest stats) I don’t know why the general public would be using said treatments without strict medical approval and supervision to begin with.

Given the percentage, the study of the long term effects may take some time.
Sometimes in an effort to speed that up, the application may be argued to be a bit too broad. That has happened with many other medical treatments in the past, as is my understanding.
I don’t know enough about the treatment of gender dysphoria in youth to comment one way or the other, though

I do know that the hormones prescribed for gender dysphoria have been used to treat other conditions for a number of decades. So maybe we do have enough data :shrug:

As we learn more and more about the various nuances in humans, the criteria and application will change. Tightening to allow for further study. Maybe relaxing in the future.

Truth be told, this doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary to me. Granted I’m not a medical professional. But I don’t see it as a reversal of the recommendations of treating gender dysphoria. Maybe being a bit more stringent with the requirements to qualify for in-depth treatment. But again, nuances need to be assessed, studied and taken into consideration.
Iow humans being complex makes this whole thing complex in return

Just because we reassess various cancer treatments doesn’t mean we are saying they don’t work. For example
(Not to in any way suggest that an illness is the same as being trans of course. Just to be clear.)
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
And I am all for any treatment when they are adults.
Which means you are wanting people to suffer needlessly as you don't want them treated if the diagnosis is made early. You want to claim live and let live yet you take it upon yourself to insist your ideas that contradict accepted medical practices should take precedence over what the actual medical professionals and researchers say.
That's not live and let live, it's hypocrisy.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Considering trans individuals make up less than 1 percent of the worldwide population, (according to latest stats) I don’t know why the general public would be using said treatments without strict medical approval and supervision to begin with.

Given the percentage, the study of the long term effects may take some time.
Sometimes in an effort to speed that up, the application may be argued to be a bit too broad. That has happened with many other medical treatments in the past, as is my understanding.
I don’t know enough about the treatment of gender dysphoria in youth to comment one way or the other, though

I do know that the hormones prescribed for gender dysphoria have been used to treat other conditions for a number of decades. So maybe we do have enough data :shrug:

As we learn more and more about the various nuances in humans, the criteria and application will change. Tightening to allow for further study. Maybe relaxing in the future.

Truth be told, this doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary to me. Granted I’m not a medical professional. But I don’t see it as a reversal of the recommendations of treating gender dysphoria. Maybe being a bit more stringent with the requirements to qualify for in-depth treatment. But again, nuances need to be assessed, studied and taken into consideration.
Iow humans being complex makes this whole thing complex in return

Just because we reassess various cancer treatments doesn’t mean we are saying they don’t work. For example
(Not to in any way suggest that an illness is the same as being trans of course. Just to be clear.)
I find your position cogent and well thought out. Not combative but thoughtful.

thank you
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Which means you are wanting people to suffer needlessly as you don't want them treated if the diagnosis is made early. You want to claim live and let live yet you take it upon yourself to insist your ideas that contradict accepted medical practices should take precedence over what the actual medical professionals and researchers say.
That's not live and let live, it's hypocrisy.
Not really.

Since it is permanently life altering and we already have people who want to transition back, I think my position is more logical and loving. Why not try psychological help until they are 18? Or do you believe in using children as guinea pigs when they are too young to really know who they are?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Not really.

Since it is permanently life altering and we already have people who want to transition back, I think my position is more logical and loving. Why not try psychological help until they are 18? Or do you believe in using children as guinea pigs when they are too young to really know who they are?
Because waiting is to inflict needless suffering. And as I pointed out the rate 9f regret is low (1%) and you shouldn't expect others to suffer needlessly because of such a small number.
Now, how abkut actually learning about things instead of showing us your certainty in your ignorance. For example, for the billionth time, therapy IS a requirement.
And why is trans people are the only ones who can't know? Most people have a very solid idea of who they are and what they want to do in life before they reach the age of consent. They don't get challenged and denied though. Just Jessica when he comes out as Jesse.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
But I AM!

And I am like Him! :D Capitalism with a heart of social'ism working through it all.
How does the "heart of Capitalism" get borne out? If you're just dealing with charity, we well know that it alone cannot and has not worked to deal with the load of suffering.

I am not opposed to capitalism by any stretch of the imagination, but something else is needed within the structure of politics & economics to try and help the poor and disenfranchised as Jesus commanded us to do, and charity can't handle it all. So, what would you like to see us do to address these problems? If you show me yours, I'll show you mine!
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
How does the "heart of Capitalism" get borne out? If you're just dealing with charity, we well know that it alone cannot and has not worked to deal with the load of suffering.

I am not opposed to capitalism by any stretch of the imagination, but something else is needed within the structure of politics & economics to try and help the poor and disenfranchised as Jesus commanded us to do, and charity can't handle it all. So, what would you like to see us do to address these problems? If you show me yours, I'll show you mine!

Did you miss my "socialism" part?

Deuteronomy 28: 1-14 - Capitalism

but socialism part:

Luke 12:16-21
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
And I am all for any treatment when they are adults. :)
Okay so again I ask, why do you think other peoples' medical decisions are your concern? Are you a doctor? How does your stance on this indicate a "live and let live attitude?" Why do you think you know better for someone else than they do?
And this is the "love" that progressive give every time. I "love" you just as long as you agree with me. In my faith, Jesus loves everyone including you and me. (Within the context of my signature)

Side note... US is far behind Sweden in their understanding. That is why Sweden put a halt to it. They were the "avant-garde" of transitioning. Now UK, France and Finland have followed suite. They follow the science.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Did you miss my "socialism" part?

Deuteronomy 28: 1-14 - Capitalism

but socialism part:

Luke 12:16-21
Even though Jewish Law clearly allows for capitalism, I don't see the connection with the Deut reference. However, that's Ok since we both agree that capitalism is very much allowed in both Judaism and Christianity.

The Luke citation is another matter since it really doesn't indicate how you or I as Christians should do this? Jewish Law on this was very clear, namely that the state working with the Sanhedrin and Temple priests were mandated to help all those in material need. Jesus doubled down in this with his Parable of the Widow's Mite, basically showing how the poor widow donated beyond what she was doing that was beyond obeying the Law.

So, what I repeatedly see with the Pubs in general, is an unwillingness to deal with those in need, such as with the passing of the massive tax cuts that benefitted the wealthy but not the poor or even most middle-incomed families. That's my #1 problem with them as it's a betrayal of what Jesus taught. Then there's the issue of the proliferation of guns [120 guns per 100 people], whereas Jesus taught us to behave very differently. Thus, we shouldn't be writing this off because "it's political".

So, my question is, what about in the here and now? OTOH, if you just want to stop, that's Ok.

Take care.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Or do you believe in using children as guinea pigs when they are too young to really know who they are?
Children don't get the operations. If they are teens, overwhelmingly they are put on hormone suppressant medication per themselves, their parents, and their doctor. Do you really want the government to make this decision for them?
 
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