EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
The name / word Lucifer
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Is the Name / Word Lucifer ever mentioned in the Quran or Judaic texts?
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Pastek
Sunni muslim
Shaitan = Satan
Iblis = Name of Satan
We also use the word "sheitan" to say devil in general or to say someone is bad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)
Iblis = Name of Satan
We also use the word "sheitan" to say devil in general or to say someone is bad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)
I'm not sure whether the "Piercing star" mentioned in Surah 86 of the Quran refers to the Morning Star or the Evening Star, or not.
http://www.al-islam.org/enlightening-commentary-light-holy-quran-vol-19/surah-tariq-chapter-86
http://www.al-islam.org/enlightening-commentary-light-holy-quran-vol-19/surah-tariq-chapter-86
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
So, nothing to do with Lucifer then
Useless2015
Active Member
Well, Lucifer seems to be a fabrication..How can an angel go against God?
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Where does it say that Lucifer went against a god?
the word lucifer is not written, or spoken, the same in every language. the idea, on the other hand, could be expressed differently. like cat is chat in french, and gato in spanish. same thing but obviously symbolized differently.
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How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
lucifer - light bearer - is associated with the morning star venus; which appears to make a pentagram in it's circuit around the sun.
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How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
lucifer - light bearer - is associated with the morning star venus; which appears to make a pentagram in it's circuit around the sun.
it is the concept of the dawning of a new day on the observant, or the coming forth of light as can be implied by the egyptian book of the dead.
it follows the idea that love(venus) enlightens and it's always darkest before the dawn. the morning star heralds the rising of the sun and the great and terrible day of the lord's coming
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=enlighten&allowed_in_frame=0
Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
and then it is realized, seen. understand?
you are the light of the world, a city set on a hill cannot be hid. so let your light shine before men; so that they can see your Father's good works.
Revelation 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
how deep is your love? is it like the ocean of devotion? is it like nirvana? can't you see the city lights? in love, we're all the same.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
This is all well and good but . . . the Morning Star was an archetypal structure thousands of years before Christianity and its monotheistic ideals
jesus refers to himself as the bright and morning star.
rev 22:16
the devil you say? well sometimes the light of truth is blinding to those who do not understand. as plato implies in the allegory of the cave.
with great wisdom comes great suffering. in heaven they rejoice at the coming of the balance but on earth they are fearful of the change to come
Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
love changes everything.
the actors are irrelevant. the action and what it produces is the importance needing to be taken away from the mythos.
love is older than history. it brings everything, everything back into balance.
love is not a respecter of persons. love transcends space and time.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
We have no idea what Jesus ever said, or if he ever existed, the entire Christian bible was written by men, anything concerning Jesus is hearsay and IMO part of an agenda.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Love or agape? Because love is a survival mechanism, and it is only as old as consciously aware Man is
What is the earliest reference that you have come across in this respect?
sidhartha gautama never wrote down any of his teachings, plato never wrote down any of his, pythagoras never wrote down any of his teachings, jesus never wrote down any of his. their followers did. i'm not trying to apotheosize anyone.
my only offering is that love transcends space, time, cultures, gender, sex, ethnicity, et al
kind of like ancient jewish people tried to apotheosize melchizedek. the OT and the NT doesn't condone idolatry, or a cult of personality, to anyone.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10602-melchizedek
best wishes
nope, empathy has been observed in other species too.
love is necessary for cooperation because two bodies sharing one mind are greater than the sum of their individual selves. two, or more, working together can accomplish so much more than individuals working by themselves and solely for selfish reasons. i'm not speaking of sacrifice. i'm speaking of being merciful
http://www.livescience.com/24800-animals-emotions-morality.html
http://news.discovery.com/animals/elephants-added-to-list-of-animals-that-show-empathy-140218.htm
Balance in still within the box of aversity. You want to transcend that box by going for harmony, not balance, imo.
ThirtyThree
Well-Known Member
Have you looked into Albert Pike at all? He has an interesting book called Morals and Dogma.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
(2800 BC) Babylonian myth has the very first association to the concept of a 'fallen' deity and its association with the Morning Star. The Sumerian king Etana is driven by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star‑gods on the Northern Mountain . . . but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the Babylonian Olympus.