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Is the Gospel simple?

Walkntune

Walkntune

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e r.m. said:
Works?!
Who's adding works?
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Any effort from man outside of the admittance he fails in his own effort and must rely on the sacrifice of Christ is an added work.Once you no longer trust in your own efforts and trust in Christ you are saved. From who do you actually think you are saved.It is from that of the bondage of the law of sin and death.You are saved from the very need to make it by your own efforts from which you fall short.This is why it is saving grace.If you feel you must walk in a particular action to be saved then you are in bondage to this action and create yet another law that you are also forcing on another to be held accountable(for self justification which the law requires) so create division.You have created a stumbling block. A true Christian relies on Christ only and is free from relying on self efforts and therefore seek the same freedom for others,not that of being justified by a work or even just a scripture interpretation.Those who believe are free.The whole bible can be summed up in the word redemption.This is the true gospel.Those who come to Christ are seeking a way out of themselves and the bondage they are in from self affliction and bondage to the laws. not another law which they need to hold themselves accountable to. The law was given for this purpose to bring someone to the end of themselves and see their need for salvation in Christ.
 
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Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
If all you have to do is trust what Christ did to make you right, sounds like Jesus, John, Paul, and Peter and James wasted a LOT of breath. You can just go ahead and snip out 99% of what they teach about monitoring your behavior. Unless you have some belief that you will magically just follow everything they say once you are "led by the Spirit" like an automaton on autopilot.

Not to mention that this contradicts what Paul himself teaches about maintaining good conduct so that you don't lose your inheritance of the kingdom.
 
e.r.m.

e.r.m.

Church of Christ
Walkntune said:
It is that which is of the flesh and not of the Spirit.Trusting in what we do to make us right with God and not trusting what Christ did to make us right with God.The understanding of the coming of grace even from the old testament.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-testament-type-shadow-grace.html#post3171534
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1. No disrespect to Shermana. Just letting you know we're coming from two different places.

2. I thought about your response and realized you elaborated more upon your definition of works. From where do you get your definition of works? What is your source?
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
e r.m. said:
1. No disrespect to Shermana. Just letting you know we're coming from two different places.

2. I thought about your response and realized you elaborated more upon your definition of works. From where do you get your definition of works? What is your source?
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most of Pauls teaching in galatians and ephesians and even the understanding of the OT scriptures in understanding how man is brought out of bondage.Did you read my link?
There are two different works. One is of the flesh and the other the spirit.The works of the flesh is that of laws seeking justification and the works of the spirit is that which is fruit of the spirit and brings life.
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
Walkntune

Walkntune

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