Is the Bible a Morality Test?

[wizanda]

Is the Bible an upside down morality test, rather than assessing who is moral by who follows it....

More checking who is nearly insane by their lack of discernment of the evil things recorded within it.

So we can go over numerous points from the start of the book, that are morally wrong, and supported as being acceptable behavior in the Bible.

God purposefully setting up Adam and Eve, plus lying to achieve it.... Should be a start for most, yet many take that as fact.

God saying only eat fruit as meat, and then condemning Cain, whilst praising Able for killing animals as sacrifices.

Noah being a righteous drunk.

Abraham going to murder his own child, in some schizophrenic episode, as clearly God didn't want him to kill his own son, so what made him do something so morally wrong.

Moses's plagues torturing the Egyptians, stealing all their gold, and then drowning them all.

David being righteous, whilst lying, murdering, cheating, etc.

jesus being murdered in front of his mother, and then people wanting to eat his flesh, and drink his blood, as some form of sacrificial death covenant.

These are just a few points, yet there are loads across the book, and interested in people pointing out more, as it is only when someone questions morality, do we some times see our own blatant contradictions.

So understandably this could make little sense in the ways things are presented of this reality; yet what if here is Hell, and the Bible is to see who really isn't Godly, as that way people can be assessed properly.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Interesting !

 

[pearl]

Is the Bible an upside down morality test, rather than assessing who is moral by who follows it....

The Bible is more a 'history' of a people interacting with their God. The word is a human word from a particular culture. Unless one believes that God actually spoke words and 'dictated' to those who wrote.

 

[Kemosloby]

Not to say only a book on judgement but moreso than morality. "how you judge, so shall you be judged" Abraham for instance, Lied about his wife Sarah to save his own life. Apparently in God's judgement that was an acceptable situation to lie in. Noah apparently earned the right to retire and drink. Where do you get that God condemned Able?

 

[rusra02]

Is the Bible an upside down morality test, rather than assessing who is moral by who follows it....

More checking who is nearly insane by their lack of discernment of the evil things recorded within it.

So we can go over numerous points from the start of the book, that are morally wrong, and supported as being acceptable behavior in the Bible.

God purposefully setting up Adam and Eve, plus lying to achieve it.... Should be a start for most, yet many take that as fact.

How did God lie?

God saying only eat fruit as meat, and then condemning Able, whilst praising Cain for killing animals as sacrifices.

You seem to have Cain and Abel mixed up. The Bible says nothing of Abel's eating animal flesh.

Noah being a righteous drunk.

The Bible records one incident of Noah getting drunk. That hardly makes him a drunkard. Nor does it imply God approved of what he did.

Abraham going to murder his own child, in some schizophrenic episode, as clearly God didn't want him to kill his own son, so what made him do something so morally wrong.

God tested Abraham's faith and obedience. Schizophrenia had nothing to do with it.

Moses's plagues torturing the Egyptians, stealing all their gold, and then drowning them all.

Anyone who reads the account in Exodus should realize what a biased and untrue statement you made.

David being righteous, whilst lying, murdering, cheating, etc.

Anyone who reads the account of David's life should realize what a biased and untrue statement you made.

jesus being murdered in front of his mother, and then people wanting to eat his flesh, and drink his blood, as some form of sacrificial death covenant.

Again, a biased and inaccurate statement.

These are just a few points, yet there are loads across the book, and interested in people pointing out more, as it is only when someone questions morality, do we some times see our own blatant contradictions.

So understandably this could make little sense in the ways things are presented of this reality; yet what if here is Hell, and the Bible is to see who really isn't Godly, as that way people can be assessed properly.

What the Bible really teaches has been misrepresented by lies, half-truths, and slanders for centuries. How appropriate the words; "What, then, is the case? If some lacked faith, will their lack of faith invalidate the faithfulness of God? Certainly not! But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar, just as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.”" (Romans 3:3,4)

 

[McBell]

What the Bible really teaches has been misrepresented by lies, half-truths, and slanders for centuries.

I agree.
Though I suspect that most of the lies, half-truths, and slanders are not intention.
Just like when you make claims of the what the Bible says, I believe you honestly believe that you are correct.
Problem is, I have no way to verify your claims.
If I like and or agree with your claims, I will have the tendency to agree.
If I dislike and or disagree with your claims, I will have the tendency to disagree.
That there is no way to verify the claims is problematic.

 

[wizanda]

The Bible is more a 'history' of a people interacting with their God.

Yeah aware that is some of its content, the only issue with that is... By the time we read everything that happens within it, here has to be near Hell, with demons controlling us.

Apparently in God's judgement that was an acceptable situation to lie in.

It is a book recorded by men, that is their impression, we don't know that God found lying acceptable, and to say so, is part of the point of the thread....Our sense of morality is skewed, as we're in Hell.

Where do you get that God condemned Able?

Genesis 4, sorry i said that the wrong way around tho, Cain was the one with the fruit.

What the Bible really teaches has been misrepresented by lies, half-truths, and slanders for centuries.

Actually we've only just been able to read it in English, and have a copy ourselves for the last couple of hundred years; before then it was only in Latin, and interpreted for us.

Thus on reading it, you'd think people would notice the blatant statements; who cares about the additional lies, in comparison to just some of the evil concepts within it.

Romans 3:3,4

See the idea of posting Paul at me, proves the point... Paul contradicts Christ blatantly, and especially on this specific topic... Where Paul has made light darkness, and darkness light.

If some lacked faith, will their lack of faith invalidate the faithfulness of God?

Paul's meaning of the word 'faith' in these sentences, is to believe that jesus was brutally murdered for you, so you can wash in his blood.

But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar

This is justifying that Paul's appraisal of the Tanakh is correct, and that we shouldn't question his sick mentality, as he is imposing he is speaking for God.

 

[Kemosloby]

Yeah aware that is some of its content, the only issue with that is... By the time we read everything that happens within it, here has to be near Hell, with demons controlling us.

It is a book recorded by men, that is their impression, we don't know that God found lying acceptable, and to say so, is part of the point of the thread....Our sense of morality is skewed, as we're in Hell.

Genesis 4, sorry i said that the wrong way around tho, Cain was the one with the fruit.

Actually we've only just been able to read it in English, and have a copy ourselves for the last couple of hundred years; before then it was only in Latin, and interpreted for us.

Thus on reading it, you'd think people would notice the blatant statements; who cares about the additional lies, in comparison to just some of the evil concepts within it.

See the idea of posting Paul at me, proves the point... Paul contradicts Christ blatantly, and especially on this specific topic... Where Paul has made light darkness, and darkness light.

Paul's meaning of the word 'faith' in these sentences, is to believe that jesus was brutally murdered for you, so you can wash in his blood.

This is justifying that Paul's appraisal of the Tanakh is correct, and that we shouldn't question his sick mentality, as he is imposing he is speaking for God.

God's problem wasn't whether it was fruit or animals, Cain was holding back the good stuff for himself, therefore God held back the good stuff from Cain. Cain got mad and killed Able. Yet God allowed Cain to live, while Able was face down in the dirt. Now Able got the worst part of that deal, unless you consider the resurrection of the dead, which is what the whole bible is leading up to.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Is the Bible an upside down morality test, rather than assessing who is moral by who follows it....

More checking who is nearly insane by their lack of discernment of the evil things recorded within it.

So we can go over numerous points from the start of the book, that are morally wrong, and supported as being acceptable behavior in the Bible.

God purposefully setting up Adam and Eve, plus lying to achieve it.... Should be a start for most, yet many take that as fact.

God saying only eat fruit as meat, and then condemning Cain, whilst praising Able for killing animals as sacrifices.

Noah being a righteous drunk.

Abraham going to murder his own child, in some schizophrenic episode, as clearly God didn't want him to kill his own son, so what made him do something so morally wrong.

Moses's plagues torturing the Egyptians, stealing all their gold, and then drowning them all.

David being righteous, whilst lying, murdering, cheating, etc.

jesus being murdered in front of his mother, and then people wanting to eat his flesh, and drink his blood, as some form of sacrificial death covenant.

These are just a few points, yet there are loads across the book, and interested in people pointing out more, as it is only when someone questions morality, do we some times see our own blatant contradictions.

So understandably this could make little sense in the ways things are presented of this reality; yet what if here is Hell, and the Bible is to see who really isn't Godly, as that way people can be assessed properly.

No, the gospel is not merely about morality although it is moral
We are not righteous enough and cannot achieve it
Jesus is and did

Like the story of Jonah our righteousness is inverted
Jonah's view of mercy was wrong
and God will draw the unlikely sometimes over the more likely
Jonah - a worldview in 50 sentences or less

 

[wizanda]

Now Able got the worst part of that deal, unless you consider the resurrection of the dead, which is what the whole bible is leading up to.

Personally accept the Messanic age, Satya yuga, etc...

Yet this is part of the point, those who accept the cruelties, the immoral statements, and don't see the immorality, shall not know that time; as how can you have a time of Godliness, with those that have proven, they don't actually know Godliness?

No, the gospel is not merely about morality although it is moral

OK, can you show something Yeshua says, that isn't about morality in someway, shape or form, please?

We are not righteous enough and cannot achieve it

"Aim to be perfect as your father is perfect"? "Be a light unto many"? "Knock and the door shall open"? "Pray expecting, and it shall happen"?

Jesus is and did

"Do not call me good, for there is none good, other than God"?

God will draw the unlikely sometimes over the more likely

Personally finding God works with everyone, as we're all in rehab/prison for a reason, so our life's are thought experiments to deal with our mental illnesses.

Thus God calls everyone to recognize what morality is down here near Hell, it is just few realize what Yeshua was inferring.

 

[David1967]

Is the Bible an upside down morality test, rather than assessing who is moral by who follows it....

More checking who is nearly insane by their lack of discernment of the evil things recorded within it.

So we can go over numerous points from the start of the book, that are morally wrong, and supported as being acceptable behavior in the Bible.

God purposefully setting up Adam and Eve, plus lying to achieve it.... Should be a start for most, yet many take that as fact.

God saying only eat fruit as meat, and then condemning Cain, whilst praising Able for killing animals as sacrifices.

Noah being a righteous drunk.

Abraham going to murder his own child, in some schizophrenic episode, as clearly God didn't want him to kill his own son, so what made him do something so morally wrong.

Moses's plagues torturing the Egyptians, stealing all their gold, and then drowning them all.

David being righteous, whilst lying, murdering, cheating, etc.

jesus being murdered in front of his mother, and then people wanting to eat his flesh, and drink his blood, as some form of sacrificial death covenant.

These are just a few points, yet there are loads across the book, and interested in people pointing out more, as it is only when someone questions morality, do we some times see our own blatant contradictions.

So understandably this could make little sense in the ways things are presented of this reality; yet what if here is Hell, and the Bible is to see who really isn't Godly, as that way people can be assessed properly.

Well, since you put it that way.