Is omniscience or omnipotence really possible?

[Magic Man]

Theres nothing so sad as to undermine your own race. One day we will have all the answers, because we are limited only by our imaginations.

I'm not undermining anything. Can you grasp the concept of forever? I know that we all know it means time without end, but really think about it, and say that you can fully grasp it? That's why I say that we'll never know the beginnings of the universe.

So, should we just imagine the answer? Is that what you mean by only being limited by our imaginations?

 

[A Lurking Shadow]

I'm not undermining anything. Can you grasp the concept of forever? I know that we all know it means time without end, but really think about it, and say that you can fully grasp it? That's why I say that we'll never know the beginnings of the universe.

So, should we just imagine the answer? Is that what you mean by only being limited by our imaginations?

I grasp infinite, its just an special term.

We already have prevailing theories about the creation of the universe. Considering the rapid advancement science is undergoing who knows where it will take us. We've learnt more in the last 100 years than in the last 40,000.

 

[Magic Man]

I grasp infinite, its just an special term.

We already have prevailing theories about the creation of the universe. Considering the rapid advancement science is undergoing who knows where it will take us. We've learnt more in the last 100 years than in the last 40,000.

You grasp infinite? You must be thinking of it wrong, then.

So, what happened before the big bang?

 

[A Lurking Shadow]

You grasp infinite? You must be thinking of it wrong, then.

So, what happened before the big bang?

How am I thinking of it wrong?

Not knowing something doesn't mean we never will.

 

[Magic Man]

How am I thinking of it wrong?

Not knowing something doesn't mean we never will.

If you picture yourself, let's say, in some kind of heaven, and then try to imagine that experience never ending. If you can actually think about that and see it fully, then your mind is not human but something much higher.

I didn't say that not knowing something means we never will. Some things, when related to others, and viewed by logic seem completely unknowable by the human mind. I don't say anything is impossible, but there are things that are extremely improbable.

 

[A Lurking Shadow]

If you picture yourself, let's say, in some kind of heaven, and then try to imagine that experience never ending. If you can actually think about that and see it fully, then your mind is not human but something much higher.

I didn't say that not knowing something means we never will. Some things, when related to others, and viewed by logic seem completely unknowable by the human mind. I don't say anything is impossible, but there are things that are extremely improbable.

Even if we can't grasp these concepts directly, we might create something that can.

 

[Magic Man]

Even if we can't grasp these concepts directly, we might create something that can.

How can we create something more intelligent than ourselves?

 

[A Lurking Shadow]

How can we create something more intelligent than ourselves?

Once you create AI, very easily.

 

[Magic Man]

Once you create AI, very easily.

I guess I just don't believe that we can create something that functions at a higher level than we do. I know we can create something that can hold more knowledge than us, but something that can implement that knowledge better than us? It seems very improbable.

 

[Wandered Off]

Even if we can't grasp these concepts directly, we might create something that can.

How would that help us?

 

[ravenstrike]

I guess I just don't believe that we can create something that functions at a higher level than we do. I know we can create something that can hold more knowledge than us, but something that can implement that knowledge better than us? It seems very improbable.

You my friend, are a festezio.
I can make up words too.

 

[Magic Man]

You my friend, are a festezio.
I can make up words too.

What word did you not understand?

 

[ravenstrike]

i dunno, the whole thing was a painful blur

 

[Magic Man]

i dunno, the whole thing was a painful blur

So, you're not actually interested in discussion? You're just trolling?

 

[ravenstrike]

just figured i'd lighten things up
people seem very angry on this forum

 

[Magic Man]

just figured i'd lighten things up
people seem very angry on this forum

I haven't noticed. Although with comments like your past few, you have to expect a negative reaction.

 

[ravenstrike]

i was hoping for an "lol" and then being ignored
but we seem to have taken this in a very different direction!!

 

[Magic Man]

Well, then maybe make a comment that's not insulting, and is actually funny, and we'll try again.

 

[ravenstrike]

you actually found festezio insulting?

 

[mr.guy]

It's a nonsense question. Can you make a square circle?

Frankly, this largely sums up the OP.

I think the concept lends itself out pretty easily; but the bulk of argument has surrounded itself with word-play, at best, conceited dismissal for the rest.