Is my clone accountable?

[Iti oj]

You seem to be talking about something more than a simple clone; something between a clone (twin) and a Borg hive-brain.
If a simple clone, then the replica is an individual and his karma separates from yours at conception (production?), there's no clonic entanglement.

Been done a thousand times -- forget about it.

likely clone + brain download/upload

 

[Iti oj]

This is a very good point, but let us suppose we apply punishement.

Should my clone be punished?

Ciao

- viole

This is a very good point, but let us suppose we apply punishement.

Should my clone be punished?

Ciao

- viole

gotta run, i'll be giving this some thought.

 

[Valjean]

This is a very good point, but let us suppose we apply punishement.

Should my clone be punished?

Ciao

- viole

To what end? What would the goal of the punishment be?

 

[viole]

You seem to be talking about something more than a simple clone; something between a clone (twin) and a Borg hive-brain.
If a simple clone, then the replica is an individual and his karma separates from yours at conception (production?), there's no clonic entanglement.

Been done a thousand times -- forget about it.

So, if each individual cell in my body and brain are replaced after a few years, do I have a different karma?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

To what end? What would the goal of the punishment be?

Some countries still apply death penalty to murders. This is, by definition, not correctional.

Independently from the effectivity of death penalty, should my clone be executed?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Valjean]

Nope -- same dharma, same karma. They don't work on the level of the 'soul's' physical projection

 

[Valjean]

Your clone, at the moment of creation, anyway, Is of the same mind you are, with the same criminal defects. Presumably, it would be as motivated as the original to kill itself. Would it even be aware of which one of the identical copies was the original?
The motivation for the suicide is still not clear to me.

 

[viole]

Nope -- same dharma, same karma. They don't work on the level of the 'soul's' physical projection

So, what is the difference between my body and brain with renewed cells and the body and brain of the clone?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Valjean]

same hard drive, different computer?

 

[McBell]

So, what is the difference between my body and brain with renewed cells and the body and brain of the clone?

Ciao

- viole

Location.

 

[McBell]

Location.

And that you committed the crime, not the clone.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Should my clone go to prison?

No. It might be argued that there is some mens rea attached to the clone, but there is no actus reus for the clone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

Perfect crime!

PS If this isn't a hypothetical situation then you will need to send me a cheque for this valuable legal advice.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Suppose I killed a man.

Why not a woman? Sexist!

In an attempt to escape justice I make a perfect adult clone of myself (assuming

the technology is available). Same age, same mental states, memories, etc.

After that I kill myself (the original).

Should my clone go to prison?

- ciao

- viole

You are a crazy person, do you know that
It is a clever question. yet again.
I guess if YOU are living through your clone, then yes. But if it is a copy, then it

is not the REAL you, so no. So that would be for science to deduce what a clone

actually is. Spiritually, I couldn't be you, but you're not interested in that are you. Can't have the same soul you see.
Anyway, the clone came on the scene after the fact did it not? All comes down to whether th clone is actually you

Why the heck am I discussing this!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Your clone, at the moment of creation, anyway, Is of the same mind you are, with the same criminal defects. Presumably, it would be as motivated as the original to kill itself. Would it even be aware of which one of the identical copies was the original?

Interesting! So the clone might not realise it's the clone and might commit suicide too....the plot thickens!

 

[Yerda]

Interesting! So the clone might not realise it's the clone and might commit suicide too....the plot thickens!

But will he clone himself first?

 

[whereismynotecard]

No. I assume the only reason you might feel like your clone is responsible is because they would basically be the same person as you were, up until the moment they were created, so they are just as capable as you were of doing everything you did. Except they didn't do it. They could have, and maybe they would have if they had existed back when you committed the murder. Maybe they would have done the same thing if they had been there. But they didn't. Being capable and willing to commit murder isn't the same as actually committing murder. You can't punish someone for something they could have done.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

But will he clone himself first?

Then there would be two clones and maybe one clone would murder somebody else and then commit suicide, or kill the other clone to hush it up, but then other people will be making clones as well to cover up different crimes so it would all get very complicated!

 

[Laika]

Suppose that my bodies and neural cells change after a while, as they naturally do. What makes me different from that clone?

Can I claim, like the clone, that I can only remember to have committed that crime?

Ciao

- viole

The concept of "self" is inevitably an abstract one. I think our bodies cells replenish themselves every seven years. As I'm 26, that means I now living inside "me number 3". In two years time, I will be "me number 4". [I just hope it's not as bad as the fourth indinia jones movie.] however, on the day to day level, we are not aware of it beyond the aging process so we percieve our sense of self as continious and build a legal system round that. the concept of "self" still corresponds to a physical object, even if that object is changing from the inside.

But I get your point that the subjective awareness of self and the physical self are not the same.

 

[Yerda]

Then there would be two clones and maybe one clone would murder somebody else and then commit suicide, or kill the other clone to hush it up, but then other people will be making clones as well to cover up different crimes so it would all get very complicated!

Somebody get Terry Gilliam on the phone!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I think our bodies cells replenish themselves every seven years. As I'm 26, that means I now living inside "me number 3". In two years time, I will be "me number 4".

I wouldn't try using that as a legal defence though.