Is my clone accountable?

[viole]

Suppose I killed a man.

In an attempt to escape justice I make a perfect adult clone of myself (assuming the technology is available). Same age, same mental states, memories, etc.

After that I kill myself (the original).

Should my clone go to prison?

- ciao

- viole

 

[Valjean]

For what?

 

[Laika]

No. You're clone didn't commit murder, even if they remember doing it.

Though to be honest, I would wonder a) if the clone could prove they didn't do it and b) whether the clone would actually prefer to go to prison as it is consistent with all the memories they have and act as if they were "you". admiting they are a "clone" could be hard to accept.

 

[Laika]

p.s. This would make an excellent movie script with the clone trying to prove their innocence and you (the murderer) faking your own death.

 

[Iti oj]

p.s. This would make an excellent movie script with the clone trying to prove their innocence and you (the murderer) faking your own death.

**** dude pitch that before some one steals it

 

[viole]

For what?

For killing that man. Remember, all my mental and biological states are tranferred to the clone with perfect fidelity.

If the clone is not accountable, why is she not accountable?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

No. You're clone didn't commit murder, even if they remember doing it.

Though to be honest, I would wonder a) if the clone could prove they didn't do it and b) whether the clone would actually prefer to go to prison as it is consistent with all the memories they have and act as if they were "you". admiting they are a "clone" could be hard to accept.

Suppose that my bodies and neural cells change after a while, as they naturally do. What makes me different from that clone?

Can I claim, like the clone, that I can only remember to have committed that crime?

Ciao

- viole

 

[McBell]

Suppose I killed a man.

In an attempt to escape justice I make a perfect adult clone of myself (assuming the technology is available). Same age, same mental states, memories, etc.

After that I kill myself (the original).

Should my clone go to prison?

- ciao

- viole

Nope.
Your clone did not commit the crime, you did.

 

[McBell]

For killing that man. Remember, all my mental and biological states are tranferred to the clone with perfect fidelity.

If the clone is not accountable, why is she not accountable?

Ciao

- viole

The clone is not accountable because the clone did not commit the crime.

 

[McBell]

Suppose that my bodies and neural cells change after a while, as they naturally do. What makes me different from that clone?

Can I claim, like the clone, that I can only remember to have committed that crime?

Ciao

- viole

You can make whatever claims you like.
jump on the medias blame Obama bandwagon.
Makes no difference.
You are the one accountable because you are the one who committed the crime.

 

[George-ananda]

Now, assuming a materialist position as the OP pre-supposes, I understand the dilemma being posed and go with 'No' that the clone should not go to prison.

However as a non-materialist I do not believe consciousness is physical, so the clone did not experience committing the crime.

 

[viole]

You can make whatever claims you like.
Go with with the media and Obama.
You are the one accountable because you are the one who committed the crime.

Cool. i do not have a problem with that. It would also provide a nice way to escape justice without any loss whatsoever, when the technology will be available.

But the question is, who is me? My body cells at the time of the crime?

Ciao

- viole

 

[McBell]

But the question is, who is me?

You am what you am.
Seriously though, the only one who can answer the deep philosophical side of that is yourself.

My body cells at the time of the crime?

Legally, yes.
Unless you know of some other way...

 

[DawudTalut]

Suppose I killed a man.

In an attempt to escape justice I make a perfect adult clone of myself (assuming the technology is available). Same age, same mental states, memories, etc.

After that I kill myself (the original).

Should my clone go to prison?

- ciao

- viole

Peace be on you.
Will not clone do the same thing (you do) if clone has every state of mind etc same??

 

[Iti oj]

You would have to make the clone before the crime other wise the clone would contain that crime.

 

[viole]

You would have to make the clone before the crime other wise the clone would contain that crime.

That is exactly my position. If, as I gather, you agree that the clone should go to prison.

However, I am aware that its counterfactuality can create opposing and equally respectable views. The question is how to morally justify them.

In other words, who is the accountable "me"?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Iti oj]

That is exactly my position. If, as I gather, you agree that the clone should go to prison.

However, I am aware that its counterfactuality can create opposing and equally respectable views. The question is how to morally justify them.

Ciao

- viole

I think that's might depend on whether you view jail as correctional or punishment.
Though either way the clone contains everything that lead to said crime. If you lock up a murder to prevent them from murdering again, how is a clone any less likely to recommit murder then the original you?

 

[viole]

I think that's might depend on whether you view jail as correctional or punishment.
Though either way the clone contains everything that lead to said crime. If you lock up a murder to prevent them from murdering again, how is a clone any less likely to recommit murder then the original you?

Excellent point.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Valjean]

You seem to be talking about something more than a simple clone; something between a clone (twin) and a Borg hive-brain.
If a simple clone, then the replica is an individual and his karma separates from yours at conception (production?), there's no clonic entanglement.

**** dude pitch that before some one steals it

Been done a thousand times -- forget about it.

 

[viole]

I think that's might depend on whether you view jail as correctional or punishment.
Though either way the clone contains everything that lead to said crime. If you lock up a murder to prevent them from murdering again, how is a clone any less likely to recommit murder then the original you?

This is a very good point, but let us suppose we apply punishement.

Should my clone be punished?

Ciao

- viole