Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?

[2ndpillar]

The New Testament, and the OT is only true as believed in the context of the Islamic Revelation. The Muslims do dominattely consider Genesis and the Pentateuch as literal history.

There are different sects of Isam, many of whom would be glad to kill the other, and they have substantial differences in interpretations and succession of leadership. Turning to the supposed words of Allah, the Koran, the NT and OT are the word of God.

You Just also accept that Jews consider Jesus a false prophet and do not accept any of the NT. The opposition of the Jews is based on the plain reading of ALL the prophecies referring to the Messianic Kings to restore the Nation of Israel.

Well, the Jews are correct in saying the prophecies have yet to been fulfilled. That was the message of Yeshua as well, and he stated the son of man would return to establish the kingdom (Mt 24:29-31) "immediately after the tribulation", which stays in abeyance. At this time, the nations/Gentiles are not ruled by the "Word of God" with an "iron rod" (Revelation 19:13-15).

Now tmany? need references for the above claims? Nonetheless not the question involved here. Messianic Jews are Christians, and then reject the Jewish understanding of the Tanakh.

According to our resident forum Jew, a Jew is a child of a Jewish woman. That might not be true, but I think that is a general Jewish perspective. Now you can cancel out the opinions of the Jews, but then what will you be left with in your hand.

None of the addresses the issue except it is understood you selectively reject Paul,

The following question has not been answered.

The question remains that only those that believe the Torah, New Testament, and Quran is true, believe the Torah, New Testament and the Quran can be proven true,

In these arguments there is no independent assessment as to what could possibly be true, therefore they are circular arguments dependent on belief.

What would be proof the Quran is true any different than the Jews belief in the Torah and the Christian belief in the NT?

That is not correct. I reject the message of Paul. According to Zechariah 11:7-10, Paul was one of the shepherds taken to "pasture the flock/church doomed for slaughter". The other two were Judas Iscariot (Zechariah 11:12-13) and Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17. What is objectively true is the OT was appropriated by the NT and the Koran, whereas the NT story used the OT as their foundation, prior to putting it into a crusher, and coming up with sand (Mt 7:24-27).

 

[shunyadragon]

There are different sects of Isam, many of whom would be glad to kill the other, and they have substantial differences in interpretations and succession of leadership. Turning to the supposed words of Allah, the Koran, the NT and OT are the word of God.

In history there are many sects of Christianity that have been glad to kill non-believers, ethnic cleanse Jews and practice "conversion by the sword." and they have substantial different interpretation and succession of leadership. Turning to the substantial different interpretation of the NT and OT as claimed as the word of God. Tribal wars between Judaism. Christianity and Islam for millennia where they took turns attempting to ethnic cleans other tribes..

Well, the Jews are correct in saying the prophecies have yet to been fulfilled. That was the message of Yeshua as well, and he stated the son of man would return to establish the kingdom (Mt 24:29-31) "immediately after the tribulation", which stays in abeyance. At this time, the nations/Gentiles are not ruled by the "Word of God" with an "iron rod" (Revelation 19:13-15).

Yes, but the Jews absolutely reject the NT and any claims of Christian fulfillment ot prophecies and consider Jesus a false prophet.

According to our resident forum Jew, a Jew is a child of a Jewish woman. That might not be true, but I think that is a general Jewish perspective. Now you can cancel out the opinions of the Jews, but then what will you be left with in your hand.

That is the Jewish religious law and the Law of Israel including grand children of Jews.

That is not correct. I reject the message of Paul. According to Zechariah 11:7-10, Paul was one of the shepherds taken to "pasture the flock/church doomed for slaughter". The other two were Judas Iscariot (Zechariah 11:12-13) and Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17. What is objectively true is the OT was appropriated by the NT and the Koran, whereas the NT story used the OT as their foundation, prior to putting it into a crusher, and coming up with sand (Mt 7:24-27).

What is true is you like the other variable conflicting Jews. Christians and Muslims which consider the others false have provided no proof or even an adequate objective argument except assertion of interpretation of ancient scriptures without provenance of authorship or origin of text.

 

[2ndpillar]

That is the Jewish religious law and the Law of Israel including grand children of Jews.

That is a Jewish tradition, not a law. The present house of Israel, is the house of Ephraim (Ezekiel 37), and Ephraim is the son of Joseph, not of Judah.

 

[2ndpillar]

What is true is you like the other variable conflicting Jews. Christians and Muslims which consider the others false have provided no proof or even an adequate objective argument except assertion of interpretation of ancient scriptures without provenance of authorship or origin of text.

There are no historical or archeological proofs that Mecca was the center of the world, nor a fruit laden trade center in the 6th century, and there is no archeological evidence that anyone, such as Eve, and Abraham lived there, as is stated in the Koran and Islamic traditions. There is historical proof in the record of a historian with the Roman army going through the area of Mecca and stating it was a desolate wasteland. The construction of the Islamic traditions was put together starting around 100 years after the death of this supposed Mohammad and was mostly done by Persians in the area of what is now central Iraq, and Arabs around Jerusalem. There are no complete copies of the Koran until around 100 years after his supposed murder by a disgruntled woman. The woman apparently didn't approve of this Mohammad killing a pregnant woman with a sword for not giving him proper praise. There is supposed to be a copy of the Koran in heaven, yet on earth, you have presently around 100 different versions, with approximately 93,000 variants within the text. With respect to Revelation, what is written in heaven, is within the ark of the covenant, which is the 10 Commandments. I think you will find those same commandments shown on the exterior of the Supreme Court Building. "A seated Moses is shown holding the two tablets of the law as the central figure of the east pediment on the exterior of the Supreme Court building" The Ten Commandments and the Supreme Court - The American Vision Without a God given law, you are saddled with manmade laws, such as those found in Marxist governments, and within the Christian church, which has superseded the 10 Commandments with their own internal based subjective laws, which winds up being variant and results in society falling into wickedness/lawlessness, as with the present Progressive movement, based on supposedly superior personal morality. As for Islam, there is no independent evidence of a Mecca based prophet at the time, nor of the existence of Mecca as a trading center, or of a Koran, which was supposedly published and shipped to all the major centers of Arab power. None of those original text exists. The authorship of the original NT canon was in 367 A.D. by Athanasius with regard to his Easter (feast of Astarte) letter. Athanasius was not holy, and his cannon was not holy. That is the most common cannon, not the only cannon. But the text has changed throughout the years by reason of additions and or changes from the original text, which produces a different narrative with each change.

 

[shunyadragon]

There are no historical or archeological proofs that Mecca was the center of the world, nor a fruit laden trade center in the 6th century, and there is no archeological evidence that anyone, such as Eve, and Abraham lived there, as is stated in the Koran and Islamic traditions. There is historical proof in the record of a historian with the Roman army going through the area of Mecca and stating it was a desolate wasteland. The construction of the Islamic traditions was put together starting around 100 years after the death of this supposed Mohammad and was mostly done by Persians in the area of what is now central Iraq, and Arabs around Jerusalem. There are no complete copies of the Koran until around 100 years after his supposed murder by a disgruntled woman. The woman apparently didn't approve of this Mohammad killing a pregnant woman with a sword for not giving him proper praise. There is supposed to be a copy of the Koran in heaven, yet on earth, you have presently around 100 different versions, with approximately 93,000 variants within the text. With respect to Revelation, what is written in heaven, is within the ark of the covenant, which is the 10 Commandments. I think you will find those same commandments shown on the exterior of the Supreme Court Building. "A seated Moses is shown holding the two tablets of the law as the central figure of the east pediment on the exterior of the Supreme Court building" The Ten Commandments and the Supreme Court - The American Vision Without a God given law, you are saddled with manmade laws, such as those found in Marxist governments, and within the Christian church, which has superseded the 10 Commandments with their own internal based subjective laws, which winds up being variant and results in society falling into wickedness/lawlessness, as with the present Progressive movement, based on supposedly superior personal morality. As for Islam, there is no independent evidence of a Mecca based prophet at the time, nor of the existence of Mecca as a trading center, or of a Koran, which was supposedly published and shipped to all the major centers of Arab power. None of those original text exists. The authorship of the original NT canon was in 367 A.D. by Athanasius with regard to his Easter (feast of Astarte) letter. Athanasius was not holy, and his cannon was not holy. That is the most common cannon, not the only cannon. But the text has changed throughout the years by reason of additions and or changes from the original text, which produces a different narrative with each change.

Careful of playing the pot calling the Kettle black.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have severe problems with lack of evidence for their claims of historicity and provenance of their scriptures and authorship. ALL of there justification of historicity is well after the fact.

There is absolutely no independent records that Jesus Christ ever existed during time the NT claims he existed. No known text before 200 AD. Compilation of the Gospels and text into a coherent NT with authors is very late and shows editing, redacting and changes before the final canan was determined.

The Torah has similar problems. The Pentateuch was compiled after 600 BCE and absolutely no historical or definitive archaeological evidence of scripture in Hebrew before this. There is absolutely no historical evidence of Abraham, Moses and other figures in the Pentateuch. There is marginal debatable evidence of King David. This is only the beginning of the problems.

 

[2ndpillar]

There is absolutely no independent records that Jesus Christ ever existed during time the NT claims he existed. No known text before 200 AD. Compilation of the Gospels and text into a coherent NT with authors is very late and shows editing, redacting and changes before the final canan was determined.

Yeshua was not a "Christian", nor was there a NT bible during early centuries. Most people couldn't read in the first place. Yeshua quoted the OT, of which the oldest surviving script is during his time, and is called the Qumran scrolls, which parallels John the Baptists viewpoints, and the OT, and the Essenes were into water baptism as was John the Baptist. It also mentions a "liar" for whom they would not sleep until he was killed. It kind of parallel Paul's last trip to Jerusalem, whereas Paul had to call on his Lord Caesar, to save him from the Essenes, who had vowed to not sleep until he was killed.

 

[shunyadragon]

Yeshua was not a "Christian", nor was there a NT bible during early centuries. Most people couldn't read in the first place. Yeshua quoted the OT, of which the oldest surviving script is during his time, and is called the Qumran scrolls, which parallels John the Baptists viewpoints, and the OT, and the Essenes were into water baptism as was John the Baptist. It also mentions a "liar" for whom they would not sleep until he was killed. It kind of parallel Paul's last trip to Jerusalem, whereas Paul had to call on his Lord Caesar, to save him from the Essenes, who had vowed to not sleep until he was killed.

It still remains you are playing the pot calling the Kettle black.

It remains the elephant in the room you cannot ignore. The text of the Tanakh has absolutely no provence in time and authorship the same as the New Testament and the Quran.

The Torah has similar problems. The Pentateuch was compiled after 600 BCE and absolutely no historical or definitive archaeological evidence of scripture in Hebrew before this. There is absolutely no historical evidence of Abraham, Moses and other figures in the Pentateuch. There is marginal debatable evidence of King David. This is only the beginning of your problems?

Where is the evidence Yeshua ever existed regardless of whether he was a Christian not.?

 

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The problem remains there is no proof nor supporting evidence for any of the above beliefs.

You opinion is noted. My opinion: I've tried to show some evidence of the Quran being from God. I also made a thread about Gospels and parallelism with Shiite Hadiths. As for the Torah and Tanakh, I believe they are filled with treasures mixed with the opposite. How I can see the contradiction in the two themes that go against each other is through the help of the Quran. Quran picks the side that the chosen guides are of an exalted nature theme and rejects what is attributing to them beneath the dignity of the chosen ones as described in the Quran.

Humans disagree, mostly, because they don't care for proofs. It's not that proofs in philosophical manner in Quran don't exist proving the proper religion nor that there is no evidence that Quran is a miracle, but rather people chase illusion and desires, and are very chaotic when it comes to God and religion.

Otherwise clear guidance exists.

And I don't know what I disagree with Paul. I hear he teaches trinity but found no evidence of that.

 

[shunyadragon]

You opinion is noted. My opinion: I've tried to show some evidence of the Quran being from God. I also made a thread about Gospels and parallelism with Shiite Hadiths. As for the Torah and Tanakh, I believe they are filled with treasures mixed with the opposite. How I can see the contradiction in the two themes that go against each other is through the help of the Quran. Quran picks the side that the chosen guides are of an exalted nature theme and rejects what is attributing to them beneath the dignity of the chosen ones as described in the Quran.

Humans disagree, mostly, because they don't care for proofs. It's not that proofs in philosophical manner in Quran don't exist proving the proper religion nor that there is no evidence that Quran is a miracle, but rather people chase illusion and desires, and are very chaotic when it comes to God and religion.

Otherwise clear guidance exists.

And I don't know what I disagree with Paul. I hear he teaches trinity but found no evidence of that.

I care about proofs in math which supports science.

Logical arguments are iffy for those that accept the assumptions of logical arguments.

Again . . .

The problem remains there is no proof nor supporting evidence for any of the above beliefs.

They all claim proofs where none exists and they all present conflicting unresolvable beliefs claiming the others false.

 

[2ndpillar]

Where is the evidence Yeshua ever existed regardless of whether he was a Christian not.?

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who according to Ehrman “is far and away our best source of information about first-century Palestine,” twice mentions Jesus in Jewish Antiquities, his massive 20-volume history of the Jewish people that was written around 93 A.D.

The Bible Says Jesus Was Real. What Other Proof Exists? | HISTORY

Some argue that Jesus wasn't an actual man, but within a few decades of his lifetime, he was mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians.

www.history.com

If archeology shows that king David existed, was his father Judah, and was Judah's father Jacob/Israel? If the Torah, per Joel 3:1, says David's Jerusalem and Judah/Jews are to be "revived", and their revival began in 1948, and you say there is no proof of their prior existence, well your point of view is a bit wanting. Abraham and Jacob, as well as David were simple goat and sheep herders, located in a land well suited for goat herding, and their family is now responsible for the most Nobel prices, and their small tribe is responsible for destroying all their large neighbors in the 1967 war, according to the prophecy of Zechariah 12 and the current news reporting, and history. Who are you to espouse archeology or history which you seem not to be familiar with?

 

[shunyadragon]

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who according to Ehrman “is far and away our best source of information about first-century Palestine,” twice mentions Jesus in Jewish Antiquities, his massive 20-volume history of the Jewish people that was written around 93 A.D.

The Bible Says Jesus Was Real. What Other Proof Exists? | HISTORY

Some argue that Jesus wasn't an actual man, but within a few decades of his lifetime, he was mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians.

www.history.com

Josephus references are third party references concerning the existence of believers Christians, and not a reference to Jesus Christ you describe as Yeshua. It is recognized that one of the references is an altered later addition. We do not anything close to the original Josephus writings.

If archeology shows that king David existed, was his father Judah, and was Judah's father Jacob/Israel? If the Torah, per Joel 3:1, says David's Jerusalem and Judah/Jews are to be "revived", and their revival began in 1948, and you say there is no proof of their prior existence, well your point of view is a bit wanting. Abraham and Jacob, as well as David were simple goat and sheep herders, located in a land well suited for goat herding, and their family is now responsible for the most Nobel prices, and their small tribe is responsible for destroying all their large neighbors in the 1967 war, according to the prophecy of Zechariah 12 and the current news reporting, and history. Who are you to espouse archeology or history which you seem not to be familiar with?

Archaeology does not specifically show King David existed. There is one controversial reference in the Tel Dan Stele which is questionable much later that King David. We have no references in archaeology at the time of King David or King Solomon.

Modern history of the 1967 war is ot relevant to the discussion of ancient Israel history

 

[2ndpillar]

Josephus references are third party references concerning the existence of believers Christians, and not a reference to Jesus Christ you describe as Yeshua. It is recognized that one of the references is an altered later addition. We do not anything close to the original Josephus writings.

In one passage of Jewish Antiquities that recounts an unlawful execution, Josephus identifies the victim, James, as the “brother of Jesus-who-is-called-Messiah.”

I think the reference is also about Jews complaining about Yeshua at the time. Also, without Yehsua, you wouldn't have Paul, and Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17 being killed by Nero, and being buried in Rome, the home of the Gentile church of Paul.

Archaeology does not specifically show King David existed. There is one controversial reference in the Tel Dan Stele which is questionable much later that King David. We have no references in archaeology at the time of King David or King Solomon.

Modern history of the 1967 war is ot relevant to the discussion of ancient Israel history

It was time relevant, and referred to the "house of David", which would be his sons. Such skepticism aside, however, most Biblical scholars and archaeologists readily accepted that the Tel Dan stela had supplied the first concrete proof of a historical King David from the Bible, making it one of the top Biblical archaeology discoveries reported in BAR.

Present day events that reflect the fulfilling of the prophets of the OT reflect the accuracy of a prophecy with respect to a tribe of goat herders of the distant past, who will conquer their neighbors, while the neighbors, the present-day Shias and Sunnis, not present until after the 8th century A.D., would be brothers killing each other. The following events would be that the "nations" would come against Jerusalem and be "destroyed" by an event described much as the event of Hiroshima. (Zechariah 14). Those that believe such a prophecy, might prepare, and "escape" the coming destruction. Those who don't, would have said, if they had lived, I guess I was wrong.

 

[shunyadragon]

In one passage of Jewish Antiquities that recounts an unlawful execution, Josephus identifies the victim, James, as the “brother of Jesus-who-is-called-Messiah.”

The problem with Josephus remains his are third person references from believers not alive at the time of Jesus life,, and one considered an insertion by Christian monks who transcribed what we have today.

Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Josephus wrote all of his surviving works after his establishment in Rome (c. AD 71) under the patronage of the Flavian Emperor Vespasian. As is common with ancient texts, however, there are no known manuscripts of Josephus' works that can be dated before the 11th century, and the oldest which do survive were copied by Christian monks.

The bottomline is there are no first person even references to Jesus during his life up to 50 AD.

I think the reference is also about Jews complaining about Yeshua at the time. Also, without Yehsua, you wouldn't have Paul, and Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17 being killed by Nero, and being buried in Rome, the home of the Gentile church of Paul.

It was time relevant, and referred to the "house of David", which would be his sons. Such skepticism aside, however, most Biblical scholars and archaeologists readily accepted that the Tel Dan stela had supplied the first concrete proof of a historical King David from the Bible, making it one of the top Biblical archaeology discoveries reported in BAR.

This claim remains marginal despite the enthusiasm of the desire to document the existence of David, nonetheless there is absolutely no archaeological or text reference to the existence of Abraham, David, Solomon or Moses.at the time they ruled and lived.

The question remains who was David? Did he rule a city or a kingdom? We have nothing from the time he lived.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1452562?seq=5&refreqid=excelsior%3A766d1186...

========Considering "House of David"===================
Even if we do consider that the inscription meant "House of David", even then it proves nothing. The words "House of David" refer to the lineage of David and hence only show that there was a family of David which existed. Who actually existed in it? We have no idea. It also does not prove that the man we know today, the mythical figure, is the same David as the one we're talking about in the inscription. So, once again, there's not enough evidence to prove the existence of David. The inscription cannot be used as a source of evidence because it has too many absurd errors which can only be made by someone of a confused mind today. Contradicting the Biblical history and then forgetting to correctly put the word separators is not something which the people of the old time did. It's not a mistake on the paper we're talking about, it's a damn stone-carved inscription which is about a Biblical character himself.

Present day events that reflect the fulfilling of the prophets of the OT reflect the accuracy of a prophecy with respect to a tribe of goat herders of the distant past, who will conquer their neighbors, while the neighbors, the present-day Shias and Sunnis, not present until after the 8th century A.D., would be brothers killing each other. The following events would be that the "nations" would come against Jerusalem and be "destroyed" by an event described much as the event of Hiroshima. (Zechariah 14). Those that believe such a prophecy, might prepare, and "escape" the coming destruction. Those who don't, would have said, if they had lived, I guess I was wrong.

I disagree fulfillment of prophecies are subjective claims and are in wide and conflicting claims in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

In the plain reading of the Tanakh the prophesies refer to one or more Messianic Kings of Israel and not Jesus Christ (Yeshua) or Mohammod. You have to make subjective interpretations of these prophesies to go beyond the Promise of Messianic Kings to return the State of Israel and rule Israel .

 

[Wu Wei]

Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?​

IMO, Yes it is possible.... also IMO, the Bible is full of contradictions...

 

[2ndpillar]

In the plain reading of the Tanakh the prophesies refer to one or more Messianic Kings of Israel and not Jesus Christ (Yeshua) or Mohammod. You have to make subjective interpretations of these prophesies to go beyond the Promise of Messianic Kings to return the State of Israel and rule Israel .

Jerusalem exists today, and is inhabited by Judah/Jews, and the "nations" are being gathered against Jerusalem/Jews.

Zechariah 1Behold, a day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence. 2For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city....

This same description can be found in the book "Hiroshima"
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12And this will be the plague with which the LORD strikes all the peoples who have warred against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths....

The Shias will combat the Sunnis,

13On that day a great panic from the LORD will come upon them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other. 14Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. 15And a similar plague will strike the horses and mules, camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps...

David, as the son of man will rule over "Israel" in the future on the land given to Jacob/Israel. Not much to use subjective reasoning with. But then again, do and think as you will. Just don't say you were not forewarned.

Ezekiel 37: 24“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. 25“They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever. 26“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. 27“My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28“And the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”’”

Your pronouncement that there was no historical evidence of "Christ" is diminished by historical evidence. If there was no "Christ" personage, then there would have been no "Christians", and Nero wouldn't have had to blame the "Christians" for the burning of Rome in 64 A.D.

On July 19, AD 64, a fire broke out in Rome, destroying ten of the city’s fourteen districts. The inferno raged for six days and seven nights, flaring sporadically for an additional three days. Though the fire probably started accidentally in an oil warehouse, rumors swirled that Emperor Nero had ordered the inferno so he could rebuild Rome according to his own liking. Nero tried to stamp out the rumors—but to no avail. He then looked for a scapegoat. And since two of the districts untouched by the fire were disproportionally populated by Christians, he shifted the blame to them.

There is much to lambast "Christians" for, but that they are a figment of someone's imagination, is a bit much.

 

[shunyadragon]

Jerusalem exists today, and is inhabited by Judah/Jews, and the "nations" are being gathered against Jerusalem/Jews.

Zechariah 1Behold, a day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence. 2For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city....

This same description can be found in the book "Hiroshima"
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12And this will be the plague with which the LORD strikes all the peoples who have warred against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths....

The Shias will combat the Sunnis,

13On that day a great panic from the LORD will come upon them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other. 14Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance. 15And a similar plague will strike the horses and mules, camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps...

David, as the son of man will rule over "Israel" in the future on the land given to Jacob/Israel. Not much to use subjective reasoning with. But then again, do and think as you will. Just don't say you were not forewarned.

Ezekiel 37: 24“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. 25“They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever. 26“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. 27“My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28“And the nations will know that I am the LORD who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”’”

Your pronouncement that there was no historical evidence of "Christ" is diminished by historical evidence. If there was no "Christ" personage, then there would have been no "Christians", and Nero wouldn't have had to blame the "Christians" for the burning of Rome in 64 A.D.

On July 19, AD 64, a fire broke out in Rome, destroying ten of the city’s fourteen districts. The inferno raged for six days and seven nights, flaring sporadically for an additional three days. Though the fire probably started accidentally in an oil warehouse, rumors swirled that Emperor Nero had ordered the inferno so he could rebuild Rome according to his own liking. Nero tried to stamp out the rumors—but to no avail. He then looked for a scapegoat. And since two of the districts untouched by the fire were disproportionally populated by Christians, he shifted the blame to them.

There is much to lambast "Christians" for, but that they are a figment of someone's imagination, is a bit much.

More rambling posts trashing others beliefs. Absolutely nothing here addresses the issues I had questions for you to respond to. All this is circumstances of history that different religions make subjective conflicting interpretations of prophecy. Nothing new and meaningful here concerning the discussion at hand.

As per the subject of the thread the variable conflicting interpretations, ancient mythical stories, and errors making all the various beliefs that trash other beliefs meaning concludes; no basis as to resolve the questions and conclude which is true including yours.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

I'm sure this has been asked before. But not since I joined. I'm mainly concerned with Biblical authority and/or inerrancy. What's the verdict so far as you can tell?

Is Christianity true because the Bible says so?

Or does the Bible say so because it describes the truth of Christianity?

The original text was inerrant. But of course there are some errors that have occurred during translation. Some have probably even been intentional at times. But the basic information we need to serve God and make it is there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The original text was inerrant. But of course there are some errors that have occurred during translation. Some have probably even been intentional at times. But the basic information we need to serve God and make it is there.

And what about the parts that can easily be shown to be wrong? Are you claiming that God lied by planting false evidence?

 

[Muffled]

I recommend a crystal ball, Flying Witch Ouija board, or seance with your local lady at the carnaval.
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I believe that could lead to deception.

 

[Muffled]

And what about the parts that can easily be shown to be wrong? Are you claiming that God lied by planting false evidence?

I believe God knows everything and you don't.