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Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
It is a matter of fact that many are similar in belief and others are very very different, and differ in their attitudes to those that believe differently.

What is lacking is sincere compassion on a universal level for those that believe differently, We live in a radially divided world of conflicting tribalism.
Actually, there is a growing compassion between those churches that do have minor differences. But the majority of the 32,000 are not different. Of course you can pick two and say “see, I’m right” but it would be taking a false statement and trying to squeeze into the few that you can enumerate differences (of which some may not even be important)

But ultimately it just boils down to… “Do you believe that Jesus died, resurrected and is seated at the right hand of the Father? And then there was 1 unified church

And I would probably go one step further and say, “Who cares? What is the issue is where do you stand with the history of what Jesus said and did.” And not how many churches there are.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The scientist say there was a big bang around 13.5 billion years ago. Oh wait, now that they have a new Webb telescope, they think they might be wrong. No body apparently knows anything. But I am fine with what I have and enjoy good information from wherever it comes. It is good to be a cynic in searching for the truth, but then if you don't find it, you may as well die where you are at, because you will be among the walking dead.
Yes, science can change when we realize that something was incorrect. The Bible is stuck being wrong forever. Now explain how that is an advantage to me.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I didn’t say they were alol the same - please reread what I said
They are just not the same, they have historically been at odds with each other. You had to have an Ecumenical Council in the 1960s to have them stop throwing stones at each other. People that live in glass houses should not throw stones. They have quit throwing stones, but the differences are quite pronounced in many instances. The lower end sects are simply called "cults" by the more populous sects. They are all cults with respect to worshipping the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4).
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The scientist say there was a big bang around 13.5 billion years ago. Oh wait, now that they have a new Webb telescope, they think they might be wrong. No body apparently knows anything. But I am fine with what I have and enjoy good information from wherever it comes. It is good to be a cynic in searching for the truth, but then if you don't find it,

This a rather sarcastic insulting perspective 'arguing from ignorance' as to what science knows and does not know. Science does not search for truth, but knowledge, and is sincere to acknowledge what they do not know. The drive for knowledge in the frontiers of science are based on what science does not know or is uncertain of. The only certainty of science is the unending search for knowledge of our physical existence.
you may as well die where you are at, because you will be among the walking dead.

Interesting accusation based on the lack of knowledge of actual consequences of the diverse conflicting subjective beliefs.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Yes, science can change when we realize that something was incorrect. The Bible is stuck being wrong forever. Now explain how that is an advantage to me.
Looking at the bible through the Lense of a "Christian", a follower of Paul, is like looking through a welder's helmet. Their canon is a product of the Roman church, which was introduced in the year 367 A.D. by way of the church set up by the Roman emperor (beast) Constantine. Start from a point where everything they say is in the realm of 1984, whereas good is called evil, and evil is called good. Look at the current state of affairs, and see if it doesn't match Orwell's 1984, and getting worse? The bible may contain both the message of the devil and of the son of man, but it is for one to seek out the difference. (Mt 13:24-30).
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
They are just not the same, they have historically been at odds with each other. You had to have an Ecumenical Council in the 1960s to have them stop throwing stones at each other. People that live in glass houses should not throw stones. They have quit throwing stones, but the differences are quite pronounced in many instances. The lower end sects are simply called "cults" by the more populous sects. They are all cults with respect to worshipping the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4).
OK… I see what you believe - I won’t agree with your broad brush
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
OK… I see what you believe - I won’t agree with your broad brush
What I believe seems to correspond to historical evidence. What you believe, the broad path to destruction (Mt 7:13), seems to be in line with the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:24-30). You appear to be in the gallery populated by the "many" (Mt 7:13). Good luck with that. Keep in mind that the locust similar in numbers to the number of locust of Rev 9:3 seem to be approaching. The "blood moon" of Joel 2:30, a lead up the the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), seems to have just past. The earthquakes of Revelation 16:18, as seen with the prospects of Southern California, the 1000s of tremors in Yellowstone, the reemergence of sites of super volcanoes such as Yellowstone and in Malaysia and recent activity in New Zealand (Rev 16:18), the revival of Judah (Jews) and Jerusalem (Joel 3:1), the bringing of nations against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14), which is to bring about the judgment of the nations/Gentiles (Joel 3:2), and the recent reemergence of Persia (Iran), which according to Daniel 2:45, has yet to receive its judgment. You seem to be missing many of the brush marks laid out by the Law and the prophets, excepting of course, the false prophet Paul.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
What I believe seems to correspond to historical evidence. What you believe, the broad path to destruction (Mt 7:13), seems to be in line with the "message" of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:24-30). You appear to be in the gallery populated by the "many" (Mt 7:13). Good luck with that. Keep in mind that the locust similar in numbers to the number of locust of Rev 9:3 seem to be approaching. The "blood moon" of Joel 2:30, a lead up the the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), seems to have just past. The earthquakes of Revelation 16:18, as seen with the prospects of Southern California, the 1000s of tremors in Yellowstone, the reemergence of sites of super volcanoes such as Yellowstone and in Malaysia and recent activity in New Zealand (Rev 16:18), the revival of Judah (Jews) and Jerusalem (Joel 3:1), the bringing of nations against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14), which is to bring about the judgment of the nations/Gentiles (Joel 3:2), and the recent reemergence of Persia (Iran), which according to Daniel 2:45, has yet to receive its judgment. You seem to be missing many of the brush marks laid out by the Law and the prophets, excepting of course, the false prophet Paul.
You have lost me in reference to what this thread has been about
 

jimb

Active Member
Premium Member
You have lost me in reference to what this thread has been about
The subject of the thread is...

Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?​

There are several people who clearly are not interested in discussing this subject. Instead, they go off on (generally negative) tangents.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The subject of the thread is...

Is it possible that Christianity is true, yet the Bible contains errors?​

There are several people who clearly are not interested in discussing this subject. Instead, they go off on (generally negative) tangents.
There are around 34,000 versions of your "Christianity". Are any of them true? True on what standard? Was there a false prophet Paul, and he drew in the "many" on their way to "destruction". Of course. If the bible didn't have additions and subtractions, why did Yeshua create a judgment for doing so (Rev 22:18-19). There are "errors", yet the bigger problem seems to be the "additions" and "subtractions". As Yeshua stated in Matthew 13:24-30, there are two "messages", one of the "enemy"/"devil", planted next to the "message" of the "son of man". There is nothing positive, in form of results, in the "message" of the "devil".
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Then you are mistaken. It is historians that know those dates. Not me. Do not try to make this a personal attack on your part.Do you need links to what real historians that only want to know the truth say? You appear to want to believe a lie. Why do you always want to believe falsehoods?
I believe historians have been known to speculate as much as anyone. Is there a document that says when Herod the Great died? I doubt it.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I believe historians have been known to speculate as much as anyone. Is there a document that says when Herod the Great died? I doubt it.
Here is the problem. There are documents that tell when his sons and sister took over rule of the kingdom. Romans kept track of that. They know that he gave up control in 4 BCE, whether he died or not is besides the point since the Matthew myth says that Herod ordered the various acts against Jesus. And we know what year the census of Quirinius was. That does not rely only upon Josephus.

And have you even read the mess that in Luke? You cannot be serious if you believe that any census required that sort of travel. If you want to claim that complete incompetence is true the burden of proof is upon you. NOT upon those that point out how stupid that story is.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
I believe science often proves itself wrong about things but God is never wrong about anything.

If God is never wrong about anything, then why does the Bible state that he regretted creating human beings as well as every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air (Genesis 6:6-7)? There are other scriptures in the Bible that highlight his other regrets in addition to creating humanity, as well as the animals and birds (1 Samuel 15:11; 2 Samuel 24:16; Jeremiah 42:10). Surely, an omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17) God would know better than to create something that he would later regret creating. Wouldn't an all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present God know better than to repopulate the planet with the same morally flawed humans that he just annihilated in a global flood? Based on the verses that describe his omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence, the answer is apparently yes. He knew better, but he created humans anyway, well aware of the terrible consequences of his actions.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Here is the problem. There are documents that tell when his sons and sister took over rule of the kingdom. Romans kept track of that. They know that he gave up control in 4 BCE, whether he died or not is besides the point since the Matthew myth says that Herod ordered the various acts against Jesus. And we know what year the census of Quirinius was. That does not rely only upon Josephus.

And have you even read the mess that in Luke? You cannot be serious if you believe that any census required that sort of travel. If you want to claim that complete incompetence is true the burden of proof is upon you. NOT upon those that point out how stupid that story is.
I believe Luke does not reveal his sources but I am sure you haven't talked to any witnesses from that time.
 

jimb

Active Member
Premium Member
I believe you do but I am sure of what God says.
I have posted Hebrews 11:1 over and over, but it seems that doubters and opponents of Christianity will never understand it: "Faith is being SURE of what we hope for and CERTAIN of what we do not see" or "faith is the ASSURANCE of what we hope for, the CONVICTION of things not seen".

Those who are not Christians think that faith is hope or wishful thinking. They just don't get it!
 
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