It isn't 100% what YHWH (Yahowah) said, it has some of what he said, some of what man said, it even has some of what Euripides said (NT).
The problem is knowing what Yahowah did say "good luck" if you are using the bible.
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Is it Possible for The Messiah to Stop the Destruction?
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It isn't 100% what YHWH (Yahowah) said, it has some of what he said, some of what man said, it even has some of what Euripides said (NT).
The problem is knowing what Yahowah did say "good luck" if you are using the bible.
Etritonakin
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So there are all these negative things prophesied within the Abrahamic texts; yet is it possible that The Messiah could just fix everything between us instead, and build world peace or do we have to have ultimate destruction of everything, before anyone will listen, as the books seem to imply?
Now understand some of the Messianic prophecies of literally no death, needs a new operating system install first; yet could we start on some of the easier things first?
Everything was already "fixed" in the beginning -and was not appreciated or truly understood. Instruction and guidance were not enough.
We are experiencing it un-fixed, un-maintained, and affected by our decisions.
God could fix everything between us, but only by taking away that which we demand -which is self-determination. He could grant us no individuality, no personal decision-making and simply program us -but then we could not become gods ("ye are gods" - "the firstborn of many brethren"). By experiencing the effects of our collective decisions (which would result in our complete self-destruction if not cut short at the last moment -which must be shown to be true), we will one day -by our own choice -decide to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God -which will actually allow for far greater freedom. The law of God avoids conflict and destruction -allows for the happiness of all -and makes us free to create infinitely.
There is no true creativity without self-determination and individual choice -but those make necessary incorruptibility.
When we become incorruptible, we can be trusted to create throughout the universe without the necessity for micromanagement.
God states that he formed the heavens to be inhabited -and that the entire creation awaits the children of God -and liberation from the bondage to decay thereby.
We will later be given "glorious" bodies -with power similar to that which allowed the Word to create all things.
God will bring an end to man's destructive ways -and will eventually destroy the present works on the Earth.
The Earth will eventually be resurfaced -making available better resources.
The remnant of humanity which remains after the "great tribulation" -essentially WWIII -and the great and terrible day of the Lord will repopulate the Earth.
Those made immortal at the the first resurrection will be kings and priests on Earth -and will reign on Earth with Christ for the thousand years until the judgment of "the rest of the dead" -where some will receive life and reward based on their works -and some will be "saved, yet so as by fire".
Then there will be no end to the increase of his government and peace. The universe -perhaps beyond -will be filled with wondrous creativity, love and happiness.
That which was prevented at Babel will no longer be a danger to avoid -and anything we imagine will be possible (so long as it does not hurt or destroy).
Desert Snake
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The thread premise has to assume that Scripture is wrong?
This is a speculation question, with implying that Scripture is incorrect.
Not going to be able to disprove Scripture, via Scripture.
This is a speculation question, with implying that Scripture is incorrect.
Not going to be able to disprove Scripture, via Scripture.
Desert Snake
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Preemptively stating that I'm not backing ''mainstream Christianity'', either; they could be misinterpreting certain things.
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djhwoodwerks
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I thought we all get a second chance "during" judgment day? According to the 'slave' we can live as we want now, and then follow Jesus "during" judgment and be fine! Because, according to the 'slave', we aren't judged according to our sins committed before we die, but what we do "during" the judgment. Or didn't you know that? It doesn't matter what you do now, as long as you obey "during" judgment.
JohnAmes
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A messiah, is kind of a loose term. In the old testament Samson was a messiah, and a good one. He actually defeated the philistines. (Jesus didn't defeat the romans)
Original hebrew biblical aspirations were not for the messiah to be God incarnate.
That idea is strictly christian.
Again that is where things can get misunderstood.
So even when we say 'anti-christ', I am not always sure of the meaning.
Interestingly enough, the islamic messiah figure, hidden imam, is expected to do just that. Basically, define the correct version of abrahamic faith, and guide all people to God.
It just figures it derives from islam, which the western-christendom doesn't seem to be hopeful or embracing, or positively enthralled with at the moment.
Original hebrew biblical aspirations were not for the messiah to be God incarnate.
That idea is strictly christian.
Again that is where things can get misunderstood.
So even when we say 'anti-christ', I am not always sure of the meaning.
Interestingly enough, the islamic messiah figure, hidden imam, is expected to do just that. Basically, define the correct version of abrahamic faith, and guide all people to God.
It just figures it derives from islam, which the western-christendom doesn't seem to be hopeful or embracing, or positively enthralled with at the moment.
You say misinterpreting how about straight up mistranslation, they have misinterpreted mistranslated toilet paper.
Btw She'owl and Sha'uwl are interchangeable in Hebrew. Sha'uwl/Saul/Paul are the same person.
Strongs 1167
Strongs 1168
Strongs 1168a
The "Lord" is Baal/Ba'al/baal
So why in English translations is YHWH's (Yahowah)'s name being replaced by satan's English moniker?
Something that you may also find interesting is that Habakkuk was writin 666 years before the second Sha'uwl/Saul arivived on the scene as (Paul).
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Desert Snake
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Why are you asking me? They shouldn't have made any differentiation between the 'Lord', /deific , inferences, in the first place.
Keeping the original title /transliterations/,would be my preference.
Paul didn't use the word 'Ba'al, though. The Deific titles for Jesus are clearly referencing JHVH.
consider, Adonai, and the Greek equivalent.
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Desert Snake
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John 8:58
This doesn't even make sense except in a Hebraic context. Forget Greek or English, meaning inference; this clearly is not language dependant
This doesn't even make sense except in a Hebraic context. Forget Greek or English, meaning inference; this clearly is not language dependant
psychoslice
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The so called messiah couldn't even stop his own destruction, so how cam you expect him to stop any other ?.
Desert Snake
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It doesn't matter, the argument can be cheesed contextually. That's the point I'm making. doesn't matter what I write about Jesus.
psychoslice
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So why write about him ?.
Desert Snake
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Good point, and I'm not going to anymore, as it isn't viable anyway.
This of course doesn't mean that various arguments can't be refuted, by someone else.
*shrugs*
Desert Snake
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There is another aspect to the Jesus debate, but I'm not going to get into it.
psychoslice
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Yes its not worth it, after all he didn't even exist, well in my opinion
Desert Snake
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psychoslice
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yes, he didn't exist.
He didn't exist the Jesus story come from Babylon even the Egyptians had a Jesus story under a different name Horus.
YHWSA ( yod hey waw shin ayin ) (Yahowsha) is written 216 times in the Tanahk it looks like this:
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Ben Avraham
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There is no such a thing as literally no-death. Every one who has been born must experience death. That's a natural
law. Only HaShem Who was never born, will never die.
Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.
Revelation 21:4 He will wipe away from them every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more. The first things have passed away."