Is evolution as crooked as Hillary?

[Kemosloby]

Could it be possible that Evolution theory is just a monstrous lie based on cross breeding? The only observable facts to the regular Joe is we have seen cross breeding and know that animals can change. For the rest we would need to look at the server in Hillarys' basement.

Seriously they make such a big deal out of Evolution theory, but what good does it do? If you were building a building, and miscalculate the strength of steel, the building might fall down. But if you're wrong about Evolution theory, name one thing which would result from it.

 

[Valjean]

The ToE is the unifying principle underlying the whole field of biology. The modern world would be a very different place without our understanding of genetics, population dynamics, biochemistry, &c.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA215.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3352551/

“Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.” -- Theodosius Dobzhansky

 

[Kemosloby]

That's quite a statement by Theodius Dobzhansky. Meaningless though.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Could it be possible that Evolution theory is just a monstrous lie based on cross breeding? The only observable facts to the regular Joe is we have seen cross breeding and know that animals can change. For the rest we would need to look at the server in Hillarys' basement.

Seriously they make such a big deal out of Evolution theory, but what good does it do? If you were building a building, and miscalculate the strength of steel, the building might fall down. But if you're wrong about Evolution theory, name one thing which would result from it.

Is this some sore of weird version of Pascal's Wager?

I'm not sure that you fully understand Evolutionary Biology, since you're loosely suggesting that cross breeding could somehow account for all changes to organisms. Sexual reproduction is certainly one aspect of the reproductive process that has allowed for more gene flow than asexual reproduction. But that is a product of evolution - not a divine system that just magically appeared. Cross-breeding cannot happen without sexual reproduction.

http://cshperspectives.cshlp.org/content/6/3/a016154.full
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction
http://www.evolutionary-philosophy.net/sex.html
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/29307/title/Why-sex-evolved/


Your question is flawed, as the two subjects you're attempting to discuss are not equitable. What you're essentially asking is, "How is it possible to build skyscrapers without all of the mechanical and engineering knowledge that we've gained over the last 200 years?"... It's not.

You could certainly build something using different materials or different techniques, but you'll never build a skyscraper as you see one today. It's like asking how the wind blows if the process of thermodynamics doesn't exist... It's nonsensical.

 

[jonathan180iq]

That's quite a statement by Theodius Dobzhansky. Meaningless though.

Why do you say that?

 

[Kemosloby]

Why do you say that?

It's possible. I suppose I'm trying to crack through the lie and prove evolution as a dogma attached to real science, meaningless as campaign promises. Will biology stand without Evolution theory? Can we understand a seed without understanding its origin?

 

[Valjean]

Hard to see how biology could remain a unified or a very useful field without the ToE underpinning it, Kemosloby.
And I could use your seed analogy to support the pro-evolution case.

As for a "dogma of science," I think you've got the relationship backwards. The understanding of evolution grew out of biological observations and research.

Why do you find the ToE so difficult to accept? How did you manage to pass your Bio classes in school?

 

[jonathan180iq]

I suppose I'm trying to crack through the lie and prove evolution as a dogma attached to real science, meaningless as campaign promises.

Do tell, what is the lie of evolution?
What dogma does it teach?
What is real science?

Will biology stand without Evolution theory? Can we understand a seed without understanding its origin?

Like I said above, you're essentially asking if physics can stand without the laws of physics... Can Math stand without number theory? Can Chemistry stand without the table of elements? Can mechanical engineering stand without tensile knowledge?

You're not making any sense...

And to answer that last question, we know about the origin of seeds BECAUSE of evolution...

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2443879?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2010.03249.x/pdf
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=640
http://www.seedbiology.de/evolution.asp
https://www.boundless.com/biology/t...ed-plants-and-adaptations-for-land-618-11839/
http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1227&context=bio_fac
http://bio.libretexts.org/TextMaps/...6:_Seed_Plants/26.1:_Evolution_of_Seed_Plants

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowering_plant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosperm

Now, to be fair, I suppose you already have a stance on the origin of the seed - so I'll let you present that argument in response.

 

[Kemosloby]

Do tell, what is the lie of evolution?
What dogma does it teach?
What is real science?


Like I said above, you're essentially asking if physics can stand without the laws of physics... Can Math stand without number theory? Can Chemistry stand without the table of elements? Can mechanical engineering stand without tensile knowledge?

You're not making any sense...

And to answer that last question, we know about the origin of seeds BECAUSE of evolution...

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2443879?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2010.03249.x/pdf
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=640
http://www.seedbiology.de/evolution.asp
https://www.boundless.com/biology/t...ed-plants-and-adaptations-for-land-618-11839/
http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1227&context=bio_fac
http://bio.libretexts.org/TextMaps/Map:_OpenStax_Biology/5:_Biological_Diversity/26:_Seed_Plants/26.1:_Evolution_of_Seed_Plants

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowering_plant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosperm

Now, to be fair, I suppose you already have a stance on the origin of the seed - so I'll let you present that argument in response.

Well physics produces something useful such as understanding the strength of steel. Chemistry produces something such as understanding the process of making steel. But what does Evolution theory produce? So if Evolution theory was gone what would we not be able to do?

 

[Valjean]

Well physics produces something useful such as understanding the strength of steel. Chemistry produces something such as understanding the process of making steel. But what does Evolution theory produce? So if Evolution theory was gone what would we not be able to do?

Did you read either of my links in post #2?
And what does utility have to do with veracity, anyway?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That's quite a statement by Theodius Dobzhansky. Meaningless though.

Theories (such as Dunning-Kruger or Evolution) aid in understanding the person or phenomenon under investigation.

 

[Kemosloby]

Did you read either of my links in post #2?
And what does utility have to do with veracity, anyway?

"The proof is in the pudding", without any pudding you can say whatever you want. Back it up with authority and you have dogma.

 

[metis]

Is it of any surprise that the OP is both anti-science and pro-Trump?

 

[Valjean]

We have pudding. Read the links.
If it's evidence you want, I can supply more links.

 

[Kemosloby]

We have pudding. Read the links.
If it's evidence you want, I can supply more links.

Just name one thing Evolution theory produces.

 

[Valjean]

Insulin

 

[Kemosloby]

Insulin

Nope, Chemistry does that.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Could it be possible that Evolution theory is just a monstrous lie based on cross breeding?

No

 

[Valjean]

Your turn.
Name one thing relativity theory produces.

 

[Valjean]

Nope, Chemistry does that.

Genetically engineered bacteria do that.