I'm honestly not sure why?@Rival you might possibly be interested in post #78 just above
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I'm honestly not sure why?@Rival you might possibly be interested in post #78 just above
You liked something about that original post I responded to, and perhaps it would be worth a look at the part you were interested in -- what part was that?I'm honestly not sure why?
genocide is genocide, the intended killing of a people, yes. But I don't link this activity to him as a person.
As I said, kicking the ball is sometimes just that: kicking the ball.
That doesn't make me a soccer player or ball kicker when I merely wanted the ball off the grass. It's not a personality trait of mine when I just kick the ball every once in a while.
Well, in the Bible it says anyone who is male and has sex with men is to be killed.
Gays and straight people alike, I have a friend who once had sex with 2 gays. However, he's perfecty straight.
God could not have talked these topics without running the risk of being misunderstood by the then people.
They did not know the difference between "sexual orientation" and casual sex with members of the same sex, if you are straight.
Let's assume God merely disapproved of the latter form of consensual contacts... he wouldn't have a chance of getting this message across back then.
In a sense that he would have been understood by the then population.
So no, in my opinion you can't say that he was homophobo, I think.
I think God loves all homosexuals.
(I don't say he approves of gay sex, either, btw.. I'm neutral here)
I was just agreeing with the post; or sometimes I like posts even if I don't necessarily agree with them but think it deserves a thumbs up for whatever reasonYou liked something about that original post I responded to, and perhaps it would be worth a look at the part you were interested in -- what part was that?
I couldn't find any correct allegation in that post. (I'm not an apologist even, but simply someone that has read through the books in question)I was just agreeing with the post; or sometimes I like posts even if I don't necessarily agree with them but think it deserves a thumbs up for whatever reason
genocide is genocide, the intended killing of a people, yes.
You are entitled to be proven wrong.I am entitled to say that the red passage does not exist in the Bible.
No, it doesn't... in circumstances of being persecuted.
The passage explicitely mentions this, please.
This is not at all what Paul said. He did say women are to be quiet in church, hang their heads in humility, ask questions later to their husband, and fully submit to their husband. There is no "balancing it out." Paul put women beneath men and told us we are not to be in a position of authority over them.The Bible prescribes equality between man and woman at church. Galatians 3:28.
If the woman cannot speak up there, she needs to get other priviledges at church, so that this going to be evened out, I think.
If people think a woman should not have authority over the man at church... then man should not have authority over the woman either.
That's equality.
Eternal punishment for not getting one life right is heinously savage, barbaricly cruel, and nothing but wicked and cruel. Unlike humans, the god of the bible does not believe in second chances.God is not wicked or the way you describe him, I think.
No, Paul said it's best to be like him. BUT if you cant control thise urges then get married. This isn't birth defects, castration, or being asexual. Paul says it's best for everyone to be unmarried and not have sex. You can't follow what Paul says and follow gods command of "be fruitful and multiply." Thise are not compatible and they do contradict each other.Notice a key thing: celibacy is only for some.
Just like in Paul: celibacy is better for some, and marriage is better for others.
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalms 137:9.
Yup. Apologetics. Here is what is here, this horribly atrocious thing, this unholy and wickedly cruel thing, regardless why this is the execution of innocent children. Only the sickness and twistedness of apologetics can and will attempt to turn this into something not so evil.@thomas t
The Psalms include laments, hopes, fears, angers, pleadings for revenge, pleadings for mercy, praises, and thoughts....
In Psalm 137, someone in Israel is wishing for revenge against the Babylonians that had killed so many of Israel, and even the babies of the Israelites by dashing them on stones.
Psalm 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion. ....
It's easy to see this, it's a very short psalm -- One can read it in 10 seconds:
Psalm 137 NIV
But God says that we are not to seek revenge. That doesn't mean the writer of the Psalm is automatically perfect and knows we are not to seek revenge.
No, Paul said it's best to be like him. BUT if you cant control thise urges then get married. This isn't birth defects, castration, or being asexual. Paul says it's best for everyone to be unmarried and not have sex. You can't follow what Paul says and follow gods command of "be fruitful and multiply."
If death of this body is the final real death, then 'God' would be a mere myth, and a myth about a murderous one at that. Genocidal.Yup. Apologetics. Here is what is here, this horribly atrocious thing, this unholy and wickedly cruel thing, regardless why this is the execution of innocent children. Only the sickness and twistedness of apologetics can and will attempt to turn this into something not so evil.
That commandment wasn't just given at the beginning.Also, while humanity at first on Earth was told to multiply
If we don't survive death it only means that. Some religions have not gave us souls or eternity.If death of this body is the final real death, then 'God' would be a mere myth, and a myth about a murderous one at that. Genocidal.
If even one innocent human died. Ever.
If death of this body were the final death, then God would not be real.If we don't survive death it only means that. Some religions have not gave us souls or eternity.
And I dont use unrealistic and unreasonable standards that are arbitrary, anti-human, and from the beliefs of the ancient superstitions of long dead and gone men. So, yes, innocent people, especially children, do die.
Like I touched on before, I'd much rather that Christians pretend they're fighting than resort to actual violence... which is something Christians do from time to time.I'm more of a classic Warhammer kind of guy. I got a phat Lizard army lead by Lord Kroak in a cold blooded Temple Guard unit that is armed to the teeth! Ow yeah!
And a ridiculous amount of Skinks too, followed by a couple nasty beasts like Kroxigors and some dino's.
In my analogy though, the warhammer generals would have to be thinking that they are actually fighting an actual war, instead of playing a fantasy game.
I didn't deny what genocide is.See? You'll come up with this bs analogy just to avoid the obvious.
You can only be bisexual of you feel attracted to members of both sexes.Ow, and I have news for your friend.... he's not "perfectly straight".
He's bisexual at minimum.
no ad hoc nonsense here.ad hoc nonsense you can come up with to "explain away" obvious facts in defense of your a priori dogmatic position.
ah ok, this passage does exist.You are entitled to be proven wrong.
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalms 137:9.
It does: 1 Corinthians 7:26.No, it doesn't.
Paul said equality in church. As in Galatians 3:28.This is not at all what Paul said. He did say women are to be quiet in church, hang their heads in humility, ask questions later to their husband, and fully submit to their husband. There is no "balancing it out." Paul put women beneath men and told us we are not to be in a position of authority over them.
but you did not show that God wants eternal punishment for the sins committed in one life only...Eternal punishment for not getting one life right is heinously savage, barbaricly cruel, and nothing but wicked and cruel. Unlike humans, the god of the bible does not believe in second chances.
Thanks for proving my point. Turning something objectively awful and horrible and attempting to twist it into something defensible. It's not. Self-defense or not, those little ones are innocent, and clearly by the violence we still see in the Middle East today this endless cycle of killing and revenge has gotten that place absolutely nowhere. They're still doing that over there. Some of them have found better ways, as has much of the world. And it doesn't involve endless revenge and genocide. Parts of Africa also have this problem, leading to generations of social and political instability and blood shed.However, it is written by someone who suffered from this people a lot.
It's a reaction.
I don't want to know how the Babylonians dealt with them...
ah wait: Jeremiah 39:6-7.
they dashed the children... made the parent watch and blinded the parent afterwards.
If this was common practice, and it may seem a bit like it, if you read on... "solely" dashing the children would seem to be deescalating the conflict in comparison to what the Babylonians did.
I don't appreciate you assuming how I would act.How would you feel and think if some one dashes your children, makes you watch this ... and just after you would be blinded by your perpetrators so that you have that picture in your head better...
That doesn't really state much, and I did cite earlier when Paul does indeed say it's best to remain unmarried if you are.It does: 1 Corinthians 7:26.
This is at least my interpretation of this verse, which is in direct link to being unmarried and Paul's attitude towards it.
That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.Paul said equality in church. As in Galatians 3:28.
So if women have to submit... all the while being equal at church... men have to submit, too.
That's equality as I see it.
Does it matter? The point is, you get it right this life or you are punished in some way (the Bible is inconsistent about how), and punished for all eternity. Forever and ever, all because you failed to get it right during your 70-80 years or so.but you did not show that God wants eternal punishment for the sins committed in one life only...
who says they suddenly stop sinning right after death?
Not necessarily. It could mean god didn't give us souls. It could mean god is something else entirely different than what anyone on Earth has ever conceived. It could simply mean Earth was a "test crop" and we're not good enough for the soul and eternal life.If death of this body were the final death, then God would not be real.