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Is Bush a racist?

Is President George W. Bush a racist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • No

    Votes: 18 78.3%

  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .

Ardent Listener

Active Member
Do you honestly believe that President George W. Bush is a racist?

Tonight on NBC he made the statement, "Call me what you like, but do not call me a racist!"

Love him or hate him, do you really feel that he is a racist?

racist- a belief that some races are by nature superior to others.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
I believe that Bush is what we call in the anthropological discipline 'ethnocentric', but then I also can be this at times, so that's not an accusation solely directed at him. He is however a nationalist, to the detriment of all others if that is the cost. I believe he thinks that the best way to ensure the maximum freedom for the majority of the people is by maintaining and increasing American hegemony around the world, and the hegemony of 'right thinking' Americans at home. I think he is deluded and dangerous, but I also believe as I read recently (to paraphrase) that he so much believes what he says that 'the script' and his own beliefs and knowledge of reality have become blurred.

As regards to the word racism, it does not carry the automatic conatation of superiority, the word in the English language that carries that idea is Racialism. According to the Oxford English Dictionary...

racism The theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race

which has come to be considered synonymous with...

racialism Belief in the superiority of a particular race leading to prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, esp. those in close proximity who may be felt as a threat to one's cultural and racial integrity or economic well-being.

The OED defines ethnocentricity as...

Regarding one's own race or ethnic group as of supreme importance.

However in anthropology ethnicity is far more than what most would consider. It includes Language, Literature, Politics, Economic system, and other cultural aspects, and certainly far beyond what would be biologically considered a misnomer, 'race'.
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
No, and I think the bigots that can't operate outside of the "hate-bush - hate-conservatives" mentality are more dangerous then the impotent modern-day racist.
 

Ardent Listener

Active Member
Darkdale said:
When ever President Bush speaks in public, I hide my head in shame. :eek:
I don't want to make this debate a "popularity contest". I'm really not interested in what people think of President Bush here, except if they truly believe that he is a racist. He has been accused by many of being a racist. Now I want to see how many here truly believe that about the man and if so, why?
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
Darkdale said:
No, and I think the bigots that can't operate outside of the "hate-bush - hate-conservatives" mentality are more dangerous then the impotent modern-day racist.
I hope I managed to overcome my disdain, maybe even hate, for Bush and consider what I thought of his ideology, which as I delineated does not refer to the inaccurate category of race, and thus to my mind he is not racist nor racialist. I have many Conservative 'friends' (actually knowing some of the family that established our Conservative Party), some of them I have respect for, some of them disdain. Its like that old axiom '...some of my best friends are Black.'
 

almifkhar

Active Member
bush a racist? you bet he is. lets count the ways
1. refused to speak at the naacp event
2. systemic killing of iraqis
3. systemic killings of afghans
3. finanically supports and speaks for white jews, yet villifies arabs
4. the shafting of the u.s. population
5. when he comes to michigan is seems to make it a point to avoid detroit and goes straight for the burbs. (detroit being a 85% black community where as the burbs are 85%+ white)
6. and lets not forget venezuella and the woes going on there. (by the way yet another place where white is not the majority)
 

Fluffy

A fool
I don't think Bush is racist. He is very intolerant though and to me, intolerance is intolerance, regardless of who it is aimed at.
 

Ori

Angel slayer
As much as I hate Mr Bush, I have to admit I have never heard him say anything racist or racially inclined.
 

Nehustan

Well-Known Member
almifkhar said:
bush a racist? you bet he is. lets count the ways
1. refused to speak at the naacp event
2. systemic killing of iraqis
3. systemic killings of afghans
3. finanically supports and speaks for white jews, yet villifies arabs
4. the shafting of the u.s. population
5. when he comes to michigan is seems to make it a point to avoid detroit and goes straight for the burbs. (detroit being a 85% black community where as the burbs are 85%+ white)
6. and lets not forget venezuella and the woes going on there. (by the way yet another place where white is not the majority)
The question you must ask yourself tho' is there a reason for this other than race? If you can find any other reason then the likelihood is that it isn't racism. For instance id it based on social status, economics, politics, snobbery, elitism, there's a whole long list of categories and sub categories of which is he also certainly guilty of then its not by default, racism.

For him to be racist say when he goes to Detroit he'd have to think something like...

'These scum bag negroes in Detroit, all they can do is play Basketball, Rap, and sell Crack, its in their blood, I ain't gonna go and see them'

that's racist as it attributes their characteristics to their biological 'race'

if however he thinks

'These African Americans in Detroit seem to have more chances to advance than they are utilising, they all see more interested in adhering to social stereotypes than advancing themselves like my hard working friend Condi, ahh well most of them don't vote anyway, so who cares'

so long as he does not believe that this behavious is biological it is not racist, it might be a lot of things, but for it to be racist it MUST have a biological foundation. Saying that you don't like cultures/behaviours etc if biological, and thus attributed by race and not socialisation, is RACISM: once it becomes more complex it usually ceases to be.
 

sdotbrown

Member
almifkhar said:
bush a racist? you bet he is. lets count the ways
1. refused to speak at the naacp event
2. systemic killing of iraqis
3. systemic killings of afghans
3. finanically supports and speaks for white jews, yet villifies arabs
4. the shafting of the u.s. population
5. when he comes to michigan is seems to make it a point to avoid detroit and goes straight for the burbs. (detroit being a 85% black community where as the burbs are 85%+ white)
6. and lets not forget venezuella and the woes going on there. (by the way yet another place where white is not the majority)

so am i racist because i avoid the innercity as well? clinton was responsible for many civilian deaths in the mideast. is he a racist? i dont agree with bush on most issues but just because he chooses to not speak at an event does not lead me to believe he is racist. he is killing iraqis and afghans because he thinks he is promoting freedom, not because of thier race. my opinion...
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Shrub is not a racist: he is a rabid Nationalist. America: right or wrong. If the person bucks the status quo (like Rosa Parks) then he views you as an enemy.

He is also a liar, a thief, a terrorist, a moron, (this list could go on ad nauseum). But I don't see him as a racist!
 

sdotbrown

Member
NetDoc said:
Shrub is not a racist: he is a rabid Nationalist. America: right or wrong. If the person bucks the status quo (like Rosa Parks) then he views you as an enemy.

He is also a liar, a thief, a terrorist, a moron, (this list could go on ad nauseum). But I don't see him as a racist!

I am not a huge fan of bush or anything, but i dont understand people constantly calling him stupid. hes not a great public speaker for sure, but i dont he think is stupid when compared to the average person on earth.
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
almifkhar said:
bush a racist? you bet he is. lets count the ways
1. refused to speak at the naacp event
2. systemic killing of iraqis
3. systemic killings of afghans
3. finanically supports and speaks for white jews, yet villifies arabs
4. the shafting of the u.s. population
5. when he comes to michigan is seems to make it a point to avoid detroit and goes straight for the burbs. (detroit being a 85% black community where as the burbs are 85%+ white)
6. and lets not forget venezuella and the woes going on there. (by the way yet another place where white is not the majority)

96% of blacks voted against him. Why should he bother courting the African American Community. They haven't shown him anything but the back of their collective hand.
 
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