I'm not sure what you mean.
If you want to respond to me, please quote me otherwise I don't know you've responded.
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If you want to respond to me, please quote me otherwise I don't know you've responded.
No, these books are in all Catholic Bibles. The Catholic canon necessarily includes them. You won't find a Catholic Bible without these books. Pre-Reformation everyone knew about them and considered them scripture. It's the Reformers who have to justify taking them out.
Then what on earth do you think the Catholic canon is? These books are on par with all the other books. They're used for doctrine and theology. I'm not sure why you're so against this?
Books of the Bible | USCCB
Again, could you please start using the quote feature. Thanks.
Mmmh, no. There is not any Catholic canon.
The Catholic Church reaffirmed the books that WERE ALREADY RECOGNIZED as inspired since the early 2nd century, and they sort of took it upon themselves to put the collection together... but they didn't decide which book was canonical or not.
The Catholic Church reaffirmed the books that WERE ALREADY RECOGNIZED as inspired since the early 2nd century, and they sort of took it upon themselves to put the collection together... but they didn't decide which book was canonical or not.
So who do you believe ordered the Western/Roman Catholic Christian Canon?
The books that are not in the Protestant Bible (Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Mac, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch) are in the Catholic Bible. The Protestants took them out. They were and are recognised as canonical by the Roman Catholic Church and always have been. It's the Protestants who changed that and don't include them in their Bibles.
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To order is not to decide the canon of inspired books. This thread is not about who ordered the books, but about which ones were canonical.
Besides that: it was GOD through His spirit who inspired the books, and for the rest, no man has anything to do with it.
Actually, the Catholic Church appeared on the scene many years after the canonical books had come into existence and were already circulating.
Yes, the books were written before the Catholic Church existed. The Church took it upon itself to decide which to include in the Biblical canon. The Christian Canon doesn't match the Jewish Bible in the OT.
What is your position on this?
No, the Church didn't decide a thing ... It just took what was already known and made the collection. That's it.
It is similar to what happens with Mathematics: some believe that mathematical principles and laws are not inventions, but discoveries. There is a great diference among both things.
It is similar to what happens with Mathematics: some believe that mathematical principles and laws are not inventions, but discoveries. There is a great diference among both things.
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So let's go with that.
You accept Maccabees as canon? You should, given your above statement.
About that, I disagree and I already told you the reasons why ...
The same books that Jews believed to be canonical in the First century and before, are in the OT in the modern versions of the Bible... all the 39 books we have today were there before Jesus was born, maybe other order, some together, with diferent names, etc, but the same books we have today.
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There was no Jewish Canon in the first century ce. But yes, the Church includes all those books and more.
No. Not even Jews do.
Jews had a lot of books of that time. They know that those books are non-canonical. They know the difference, why don't you ask them?
Do your homework before posting anything else.
We'll continue the dialog some other moment. Thanks for your time.
PD: It is funny that you believe that Catholic Church has anything to do with the Hebrew-Aramaic canon of the Scriptures. Who gave them that authority?
That's why diaspora Jews included those books in their collections, right? Why they had the books of Maccabees and others?
They believe these books are divinely inspired. Christianity is a different religion to Judaism, why should it have the same books? On what authority do they include the Gospels? After all, the Jews don't include them.
