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In the days of NOAH and Jesus

Discussion in 'Orthodox Christian DIR' started by lovelylife22, Jun 13, 2015.

  1. lovelylife22

    lovelylife22 New Member

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    Jesus in the bible talks about himself coming back when it is as in the days of Noah. When Jesus comes back is the world supposed to be really bad? worst and worst?

    What does he mean by this? Is the crime rate suppose to explode? Is it supposed to get violent?

    I'm sick and tired of the Rapture pundits talking about this "Generation" and all that crap.

    We don't know when Jesus is to come back.
     
  2. jeager106

    jeager106 Learning more about Jehovah.
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    If you mean the "end times" or "the end of the world as we know it", or when
    the New World Order comes after Jesus comes back the yes.
    Thing will get real bad for those alive on this earth.
    It would be advisable if you would do a google search on what Christianity has
    to say about these last days and the promise of a theocratic government in the
    Kingdom to come.
    The Rapture is not bible based and is a myth perpetuated around the mid
    1850's.
    Fact is the word "rapture" isn't in any one's Christian Bible.

    The Antichrist – Who, What and When!
    This is the Restored Church of God's web site with lots of info on this topic
    and one much better is
    jw.org
    Have a look see and come back with questions.
     
  3. InChrist

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    The word Bible is not in the Bible either, but I believe the Bible is real.

    It amazes me that some folks write to me, questioning the validity of the rapture, simply because the word "rapture" doesn't appear in the Bible.

    With 1 Thes 4:16-18 giving us such a clear description of the rapture, you would have to conclude that some people are just playing games with the Word of God. I could change the name of my site to "Catching Up Ready" to satisfy these folks, but I hardly think that would improve things.
    Their logic fails because there are a huge number of words that don't appear in the Bible, including the word "Bible." Because God's Word was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, one could truthfully say that no English words are in the Bible. Let's take a look at 1 Thes 4:16-18 in the original
    Greek:
    Defending The Pre-trib Rapture
     
  4. JayJayDee

    JayJayDee Avid JW Bible Student

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    OK..let's look at that scripture and what precedes it.....what is the "rapture" and who experiences it?

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18....."We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, concerning those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who have no hope. Since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, in the same way God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. For we say this to you by a revelation from the Lord: We who are still alive at the Lord’s coming will certainly have no advantage over those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words." (Holman)

    So Paul starts off by talking about those who "sleep" in death (these are all still in their graves) ....that they will not be grieved in the same way as those without hope grieve over their loved ones. Then he speaks of the resurrection, noting that those "who are still alive at the Lord’s coming will certainly have no advantage over those who have fallen asleep". Why? Because "the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first." When does this take place? When the Lord returns, then those called to heaven "will rise first". This harmonizes with Rev 20:6 where those chosen to be "kings and priests" to rule with Christ in his kingdom, will experience the "first resurrection". If there is a "first"...there is another to come.

    If there are kings, then there are subjects...if there are priests, then there are sinners who need their intercession.

    So those who "sleep in death" are not raised until Jesus returns. The "sign" Jesus gave to indicate his return is recorded in Matt 24:3-14. There is no need of a "sign" if the return of Christ is a visible event. Daniel saw a vision of Christ's enthronement in heaven at the time when the "last days" or "the time of the end" began. It was unseen to human eyes, but indicated by world events.

    The First World War was the beginning of the sign and the others followed in rapid succession. This is the time Christ returned and began the greatest preaching campaign in the history of the world.

    A "great tribulation" was foretold which would be worse than anything mankind has ever experienced before....or would ever experience again (Matt 24:21)...this will be at the very end of these last days, when the bride of Christ becomes complete in order for the marriage of the Lamb to take place in heaven.

    "Soon the angels will unleash the destructive winds of the great tribulation. This will occur after all the remaining ones of Christ’s "brothers" left on earth have received their final sealing. (Rev. 7:1-3)
    Before Armageddon breaks out, anointed ones will be taken to heaven. (Matt. 13:41-43) Therefore, now is the time for those who hope to be judged as sheep to support Christ’s brothers loyally.”
     
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