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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by InChrist, Nov 27, 2022.

  1. InChrist

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    At one time, I read that the Greek prefix ”Anti” not only means ”opposed to”, but also ”in place of”. This makes sense in light of the scriptures which show the antichrist will come in opposition to the real Christ, but also pretending to be Christ.
    Who will be able to tell the difference?


    If Satan Is As Great As He Thinks He Is, Then Why Does He Pretend To Be Jesus In The Time Of Jacob’s Trouble?


    “Lucifer got into fatal trouble as recorded in the book of Isaiah, where he asserts that he will “be like the most High”, and take His Throne. We read in the book of Job where God actually allows Satan to accuse Him, and seems to treat the Devil on a near-equal peer level. But haven’t you ever thought it odd that Lucifer had no “new plan” to present? The best he could do is to want to steal what Someone else had already created.”
     
  2. Snow White

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    It's mostly all just a story to me. It could be real, I have an open mind... but if it is, I see the evangelicals as most likely taking the bait on believing an anti-Christ. I feel that everyone else is too indifferent to care about people claiming to be Christ. Critical thinking helps people to scrutinize things more, so I feel it's the best protection against an anti-Christ power.
     
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  3. InChrist

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    From what I see in the scriptures, the church/all born again Christians will be removed from the earth before the antichrist comes into the world scene. Presumably, this person will be seen and accepted as a Savior figure in the midst of world chaos. So there won’t be any Christian around to believe, only the non-Christians who remain.
     
  4. SomeRandom

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    Full disclaimer I’m not a Christian
    But it was always explained to me in two major ways (depending on one’s interpretation of Lucifer, really.)

    One was that Lucifer wanted to prove that he could be a better leader as Jesus, and that humans could easily fall out of favour with God’s teachings. Proving them to be flimsy
    The other one was basically that Lucifer, under orders from God, sets out to test people’s faith. Basically. And if he can “outperform” Jesus, then that’s A-OK to him

    Now I will be upfront and say both explanations came from Christians. The first came from a Religious run “kids club” run after school near where I live.
    So it might have just been a bit of a simplified answer due to our age (lower primary/elementary school age.)
    The second comes from my family who are admittedly on the more “liberal” side of things when it comes to interpreting the Bible.
    Just thought I’d be upfront about that
     
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    Is it Paul who faked a vision or was it Devil/Satan whose voice Paul heard and Paul thought that it was Jesus' voice, as Paul never had been in the company of Jesus to recognize his voice, please?? Right?
    Doesn't it show that Paul was an Anti-Christ or its seed ,please, right?

    Regards
     
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    I think it is quite easy. The ideal Christian would follow the teachings of Jesus and live via that moral standard. There are many atheists and people of non-hristian religions that live like Christians. So I would think the most likley Anti-Christs to be those people who claim to be Christian but refuse to follow what Jesus taught, and this is often evangelical and other politically and socially conservative Christians.

    There is an absurdity in believers who think they are Christians but then act with greed, selfishness, divisiveness, hatred, lying, deception, prejudice, and so on. I would say such folks are using the image of Jesus in place of their true nature.
     
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  7. InChrist

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    Thank you for the thoughts you expressed. I can agree with much of what you’ve said in regard to many who claim to be Christians, yet persistently live a life contrary to Christ; with attitudes and actions of greed, selfishness, lying, hatred, etc. That is definitely behavior against Christ and others, which blasphemes the Name and Person of Christ.

    Nevertheless, I am specifically referring to the final world spiritual/political leader prophetically spoken of in the biblical scriptures.
     
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    Do you think Jesus was incapable of confronting and making Himself known to Saul in his persecution of the early Christians and turning Paul’s life around to use him as a vessel to spread the gospel?
     
  9. rational experiences

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    A man theories.

    O earth his machine is mass. Equals equals.

    Mass only is then used to get a gas. Position thesis direct from Gods earth...gases. Not above.

    Men were forbidden to express removal of earths heavens gases immaculate clear as the sun mass already removed cold clear gas itself once.

    The balances a suns now own fuel now owned light above as the only sun in space law was alight...earths heavens wasn't.

    Man says I'll remove clear cold gas above. By theory. Not anywhere but in heavens law.

    Cold clear.

    Gas removed leaves a no light history just to a burning mass at ground level earth radiating burning itself law in space. When a removed clear gas is theoried by a resource.

    Is at grounds position.

    As cold clear gas was stretched by infinity above law away from its ground radiating base mass.

    Man theoried I will remove a gas...removes biologies heavens support.
    Man theories no biology is a gas...a gas would instantly destroy any biology....and men trying to make gas be biology would destroy the gas.

    Man's summation yes men of science anti the presence of spirit the gas above. Life bio burned on ground another position of AI in men's theory.

    Testimonial said it was mans fault as only heavens was gods earth Inheritor of gases and not men.

    Legal said no man is God mass why any type is held is in law a mass first not a single particle.
     
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    Infinity space pressure is energies coldest law by lots of zero as energy held cooled as mass is direct mass only. And is infinities law.

    Reasoned on earth mass held by current infinity still supports inner volcanic mass.... proving even mass isn't Infinity coldest.

    Particles in infinity owned a higher inherited space mass and less pressure. Heated space. Theists exact machine only want. Direct in thesis machine.

    A lying theist man said particles owned more space than mass and hence was highest Infinity law.
     
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    Natural Conscious human thought first only correct.

    Christ supported consciousness.

    Man's space number fake speaking babble language changed human biology and consciousness into babbling itself...as no man is mass God.

    Heavens is one body only isn't separate. Law. Inheritor.

    Christ teachings are not first man's natural awareness in heavens mass.

    Argues against any theist.

    Church hypocrites founding ignored.

    First humans not a theist man not a science man. Reason Christ advice is hypocritical.

    Book legally shut secondary evidence don't read satanic man theisms.
     
  12. Kenny

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    I see some truth here. If I think about it, even the authority over the earth couldn't be created by him, he had to steal it from Adam and Eve.
     
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    I agree, within my understanding (I leave room to be wrong), Christians will be removed but then replaced by other Christians that became believers after the taking away of Christians.

    There are three groups that will preach:
    1. The two witnesses (Rev 11)
    2. the 144,000 (Rev 7)
    3. Angels (Rev. 14:5-6)
     
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    The two witnesses are the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.

    Few Christian denominations realise this...they think literally that only people witness. However it's (the Bible) actually referring to itself.

    Prophetic writings are so easy to confuse.
     
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    Now that is a very interesting position. I wonder how the Testaments in the Bible will look like in sackcloth:

    Revelation 11:3
    And I will grant the power of prophecy to My two witnesses for 1,260 (42 months; three and one-half years), dressed in sackcloth.

    I suppose they would look cute in a bookshelf too. ;)
     
  16. TransmutingSoul

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    Has not a Christian considered that that is exactly what they may be doing?

    Consider how doctrine has become the way of Christian life, taken what was given of Christ and made it thier own, now speaking for Christ.

    We have even been warned about it.

    Matthew 7:21-23
    "....21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?
    23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’..."

    Regards Tony
     
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    But (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah never did it* and or never needed* to do it, it transpires:
    1. He never died a cursed death on the Cross*, in the first place, please
    2. and ,therefore, never rose from the dead*
    3. He was never a Hellenist (dying, rising, atoning, ascending) deity
    4. He never needed Saul to fake a vision for him,
    5. Saul aka Paul did fake the vision on his own, continuing his persecution of Jesus and his followers under a new strategy of character assassination of Jesus,
    6. that is opposing Jesus' ways and his teachings
    7. and this merits to name Saul/Paul a seed of AntiChrist, one gets to know, please
    Right?

    Regards
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    * to prove otherwise kindly quote directly from Jesus/Yeshua in the first person, in
    an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner, please, right?
     
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    I can see how a Christian could see the doctrines as just a clarification of what is "God's will". So, which doctrines do you think are problematic? And it says, "but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." What is this will of the Father that a Christian should be doing?
     
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    Any doctrine that does not embrace Christ, the Holy Spirit in all of the God given Messengers, are problematic.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Yes, from a Baha'i point of view, but I think there is enough in the NT to make a very good case that Jesus was something greater than any other prophet. But what can we expect, Christians wrote the stories.
    The Christian belief about "lucifer" is one of them that I have a problem with.

    In the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the king of Babylon is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shachar, Hebrew for "shining one, son of the morning"),[38] who is addressed as הילל בן שחר (Hêlêl ben Šāḥar),[42][43][44][45] The title "Hêlêl ben Šāḥar" refers to the planet Venus as the morning star, and that is how the Hebrew word is usually interpreted.[46][47] The Hebrew word transliterated as Hêlêl[48] or Heylel,[49] occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible.[48] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as Ἑωσφόρος[50][51][52][53][54] (heōsphoros),[55][56] "bringer of dawn", the Ancient Greek name for the morning star.[57] Similarly the Vulgate renders הֵילֵל in Latin as Lucifer, the name in that language for the morning star. According to the King James Bible-based Strong's Concordance, the original Hebrew word means "shining one, light-bearer", and the English translation given in the King James text is the Latin name for the planet Venus, "Lucifer",[49] as it was already in the Wycliffe Bible.

    However, the translation of הֵילֵל as "Lucifer" has been abandoned in modern English translations of Isaiah 14:12. Present-day translations render הֵילֵל as "morning star"
     
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