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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. Hugh of Borg

    Hugh of Borg New Member

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    Fact is that God is a Man.
    Fact is that Angels are all Men.
    Fact is that the Son of God is a Man.
    There is nothing that women can do about that.
    You may think that anything that Men can do women can do, but can they? Could women ever produce Music like Pink Floyd and Genesis and Supertramp and The Eagles and Electric Light Orchestra and the Beatles and Alan Parsons Project and a whole range of REALLY Good music. Hundreds of really good Bands and really good Music. While during that time the women just sang a few songs. The women certainly were not as good as the Men.
    Maybe there is a Reason why Men were made in the image of God and in the image of Angels. They certainly SING like Angels.

    If women had been on Earth on their own, do you think they would have built the Cathedrals and the Churches and the Temples? Do you think they would have done all that Art ?
    Would they have invented Musical Instruments and invented notation and written the huge range of Classical Music and Religious Music that the Men did?
    Do you think they would have invented Medicine and Philosophy and Sport and Maths and Trains and Cars and aircraft and ships and dishwashers and washing machines and TV's and computers?
     
  2. Hugh of Borg

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  3. KenS

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    We can go on many tangents as the post grows... so I will just stick with the war issue. Otherwise it will be too long.

    Certainly the Prince of Peace does not condone violence... but there is a difference between not condoning violence and wars. Even in the time to come there are many verses such as Rev 2:16 Repent of your sin, or I will come to you suddenly and fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

    God doesn't condone violence, but he also doesn't condone evil.

    I will agree that there were many dissenters of war in the first centuries but I believe it was for a different reason. Rome was trying to be a worLd dominating country out to kill everyone who tried to stop them. A violation of the principles that Jesus set forth and thus correctly dissenting.

    But there are two principles... Love your neighbor as well as pray for your enemies.

    Luke 10:31 “By chance a priest came along. But when he saw the man lying there, he crossed to the other side of the road and passed him by. 32 A Temple assistant walked over and looked at him lying there, but he also passed by on the other side.

    So we have ISIS rampantly killing both Muslims and everyone else, raping and pillaging. The religious people, on the grounds of religious thought, will pass by and let that continue while they violate the principle of "love your neighbor" while they think that all they have to do just pray for their enemies.

    There are times, as Jesus demonstrates in the time to come, when there is only one way to stop evil.

    One can pray for their enemies and still stop them from killing innocent people.

    However, to die for the Gospel sake is a good choice that people can make without retaliation.
     
  4. KenS

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    yes.

    however, there are no women without men and no men without women.
     
  5. Deeje

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    There is a great deal of difference between Christ warring against his enemies and us doing that.
    When Jesus comes as judge, it isn't humans who are his armed forces...it is angels. (2 Thess 1:6-9; Matthew 16:27)

    No Christian ever has to break God's law to take the law into his own hands.We are to" turn the other cheek".

    Of course he doesn't condone evil...he never has. BUT Jesus never once advocated violence in order to fight violence.

    Think of all the times that Jesus' disciples were ill treated and imprisoned.....never once did they retaliate.
    Romans 12:17-21:
    "Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says the LORD.” 20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good."

    Do you see any loopholes in that scripture where a Christian could ever conquer evil with evil? :shrug:

    When the apostle Paul was having difficulties, he asked the brotherhood to pray for him. He didn't tell them to plot revenge or to fight back. Not many of the apostles suffered as much as Paul did at the hands of his own countrymen....and he was a previously violent man. :mad:

    Think of all the despots you can name in the past who perpetrated evil on humanity......where are they now?
    God knows how to get rid of the worst of them, in his own time and way....'O ye of little faith'.....:D

    I don't think this parable was used to promote anything but love of neighbor. The fact that the hero of the story was a hated Samaritan, made the Jews really angry......but it got the point across. Humanitarian aid is always to be given regardless of race or creed.

    You don't think that God can deal with evil men?
    2 Peter 2:4-9:
    "For if God didn’t spare the angels who sinned but threw them down into Tartarus and delivered them to be kept in chains of darkness until judgment; 5 and if He didn’t spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others, when He brought a flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and if He reduced the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes and condemned them to ruin, making them an example to those who were going to be ungodly; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, distressed by the unrestrained behavior of the immoral 8 (for as he lived among them, that righteous man tormented himself day by day with the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment"

    This is where I put my trust. :)

    Yes...but, Jesus will stop it...not us. He has authority from his Father to deal with wickedness, law and order (Matthew 28:19)....we do not.

    We suffer injustice and tests of integrity in exactly the same way as Job suffered. It is our ability to obey God without compromise that is the reason why God allows suffering. Each one of us is tested to see who is fit to be a citizen of God's Kingdom. All God has ever asked of humans was obedience, right from the start. Its all he asks now. (Isaiah 48:17-18)

    How? :shrug: How do you do that without "returning evil for evil"?

    Whatever peaceful means there are to do what we can, then by all means we should take it.....on occasions when Jesus was threatened, he simply withdrew, even though he had command of the entire angelic army, it wasn't time to exercise his authority......but there is no sanction for bloodshed or violence in the teachings of the Christ for his disciples.

    There is a saying that "a Christian will take a bullet for his brother, but he will never fire one".

    If a person is disciple of Christ, they will follow his example....exactly....no excuses....no justification for not loving their enemies.
    We are peacemakers and peace-lovers. [​IMG] Yes?
     
  6. KenS

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    Yes... we are to turn the other cheek when they hit us for the Gospel sake. But standing by as a group of people kill innocent people is a failure of loving your neighbor not to mention a violation of God's law of not to murder.


    Again... there is a different. They were imprisoned for spreading the Gospel. In such cases you don't retaliate.

    Yes... if you enemy is hungry feed him and if he is thirsty give him drink. Stopping the murder of innocent is not vengeance. Vengeance is to avenge. Stopping a murder isn't an act of vengeance. Besides. God has used men in His decision to execute vengeance.

    Again... you are talking about spreading the Gospel. Scripturally people died for spreading the Gospel

    Yes. And standing by while ISIS is murdering innocent people is not "love your neighbor". We should go and be the hero and save the neighbor. :)

    Yes, and God has used men many times to deal with evil men.

    :) No argument here.

    The question, IMV, is when is it returning evil for evil. Putting a man in jail for stealing isn't returning evil for evil. Taking the car away from an habitual drunk to prevent him from killing someone isn't returning evil for evil. Stopping someone with an UZZI from killing innocent people isn't returning evil for evil

    Yes, if at all possible, work things out peacefully. No where did Jesus tell any soldier to stop being a soldier. John, his precursor, simply said to be happy with the wages and not rob. And :) believe it or not, I am a peace loving person.
     
  7. Deeje

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    As those called out of the world and told NOT to be a part of it, how can a Christian be "hit" for anything else? [​IMG]
    Jesus told his disciples that they would be persecuted for the same reason he was.....for preaching about God's Kingdom. (John 15:18-21)

    And yet that is exactly what happens when evil regimes perform mass murder, often of their own citizens. No one can stop them without more bloodshed. It is returning evil for evil. Do you not believe that God sees everything and will deal with it in his due time? We know ho is running the show down here....right? (1 John 5:19)

    One incident that comes to mind is when Paul and his companion Silas were imprisoned for expelling a demonic 'spirit of prediction' from a young girl and leaving her masters with no means to gain profit from her predictions. The two were beaten severely by an angry mob.
    There was a great earthquake that night, freeing all the prisoner's bonds. When the jailer saw what had happened, he was about to kill himself when Paul called out to him....“Stop! Don’t kill yourself! We are all here!” Even when the opportunity presented itself to escape, they did not take it. The jailer was so impressed that he became a believer and took them home to his own house to clean and dress their wounds, from the mistreatment they had received beforehand. (Acts of Apostles 16:16-34)

    We are better off allowing God to take care of things. Nothing happens without his say so....remember Job? (1 Corinthians 10:13)

    Again, what else would a Christian be imprisoned for? [​IMG] As disciples of Christ, they are not law breakers. (1 Peter 4:15-19)

    Please tell me how a Christian can do that without violating the 'Law of Love'? Can you give me some examples of what you mean?

    Again, please tell me how you do that whilst still obeying the Christ? Many Christians hid Jews in Nazi Germany endangering their own lives....this is fine and acceptable, but any form of bloodshed is disobeying Christ's command. There are peaceful means to achieve a goal....and we should use them.

    When Jesus said...."But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

    Do you see anything in his words that would justify what you are suggesting?

    Yes indeed....He can use whomever he wishes to bring relief to his worshippers.....but not since the days of ancient Israel has he sanctioned the use of deadly force....certainly not with regard to the disciples of his son.

    Points of agreement are always good. ;)

    And whom would God use to do that? Seems to me that the world has its own law enforcement, but we are a peaceful people so we would not be part of that enforcement if it involved the use of weapons. We could use physical force to detain someone we saw committing a crime, but because life is more precious than material possessions, we would not risk our lives to pursue a drug crazed thief who had a weapon. We would also come to the rescue of someone who was injured, like the good Samaritan. Saving a life, doesn't always mean sacrificing a life to do it. [​IMG]

    The previous reference works I quoted demonstrate that a Christian would not have remained in the military or involved himself in political matters. Being "no part of the world" means that we do not make ourselves part of the problem, but preach to people about the solution, as Jesus and his disciples did.

    I am really pleased to hear that. [​IMG]
     
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    Hi my name is Abigail Davis and I am currently researching the effects of personality on religiosity, at Nottingham Trent University, for my final year research project. I would greatly appreciate your participation in my study; it is a short online questionnaire designed for individuals who regularly attend a place of worship.

    If you attend a regular place of worship and have a spare 10 minutes, please would you complete my questionnaire, thank you in advance.

    Religiosity and Personality Questionnaire
     
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    The question is irrelevant as they would never have been acknowledged for them, men would assume the credit.
     
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