If A Tree Falls Down When No One's Around Does It Make A Sound

[blackout]

To make a cake, you need all the essential ingredients.
This includes a working oven.

To make a sound, you need all the essential ingredients.
This Includes a working ear.

 

[Thief]

not a subjective observation but an objective observation that deals
"with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations"

if an idea is subjected to personal interpretations, my guess the idea doesn't hold true for everyone...

And in like manner the sun will not rise this morning....
if you're not there to witness the event?

Reality is separate of our awareness.

 

[blackout]

And in like manner the sun will not rise this morning....
if you're not there to witness the event?

Reality is separate of our awareness.

The sun may very well continue doing what it "always does" this morning,
but it will not rise, just as it will not 'be' yellow,
if there is no one with human eyes
from the human perspective on the earth
to witness it. (doing what it always does)

 

[waitasec]

And in like manner the sun will not rise this morning....
if you're not there to witness the event?

Reality is separate of our awareness.

but what makes it reality?
everyone has had an empirical objective experience observing this event.

 

[waitasec]

The sun may very well continue doing what it "always does" this morning,
but it will not rise, just as it will not 'be' yellow,
if there is no one with human eyes
from the human perspective on the earth
to witness it. (doing what it always does)

this perspective gives all the power of existence to the observer who is ultimately biased. so if something indeed exists without observation the power of existence is now shifted to the observed...

 

[Willamena]

And in like manner the sun will not rise this morning....
if you're not there to witness the event?

Reality is separate of our awareness.

This issue has two sides: the being and the knowing. Reality rests with whichever we can truthfully claim. We can say, "The sun will rise tomorrow," but unless someone witnesses the event we cannot truthfully claim that this was the reality.

Reality must necessarily be true.

 

[idav]

but what makes it reality?
everyone has had an empirical objective experience observing this event.

What makes it reality is others seeing the same thing otherwise it could just be a figment of our imaginations.

edit: I should add that we only get a piece of reality from whatever ways we are able to sense the world outside of ourselves.

 

[waitasec]

What makes it reality is others seeing the same thing otherwise it could just be a figment of our imaginations.

:yes:

edit: I should add that we only get a piece of reality from whatever ways we are able to sense the world outside of ourselves.

meaning another dimension? then it isn't a part of our reality until it's objectively understood... unless reality is ultimately subjective... and i'm not going there

 

[idav]

meaning another dimension? then it isn't a part of our reality until it's objectively understood... unless reality is ultimately subjective... and i'm not going there

I just meant that I need more senses like seeing heat in color, better night vision, and having sonar and those type of senses other animals might have would make our reality much more clear.

 

[waitasec]

I just meant that I need more senses like seeing heat in color, better night vision, and having sonar and those type of senses other animals might have would make our reality much more clear.

gotcha....
however we can apply technology to do those things for us...

this only goes to show, we were not perfectly evolved yet.

 

[Willamena]

I just meant that I need more senses like seeing heat in color, better night vision, and having sonar and those type of senses other animals might have would make our reality much more clear.

Or perhaps they just make much more reality.

 

[gnomon]

So I guess this thread has verified that sonograms do not actually work?

 

[Acim]

What makes it reality is others seeing the same thing otherwise it could just be a figment of our imaginations.

Unless 'seeing' and 'others' are a figment of our (collective) imagination(s).

Sun rose in my night dream last night. Many saw it. Several others. It was seen.

 

[Acim]

this perspective gives all the power of existence to the observer who is ultimately biased. so if something indeed exists without observation the power of existence is now shifted to the observed...

Curious what is meant here by "the power" of existence?

 

[waitasec]

Curious what is meant here by "the power" of existence?

thats funny , i was just going to link you to that post.

i mean the influence of being...
you being a being doesn't depend on my influence on you, but your influence on me and vice versa

 

[idav]

Unless 'seeing' and 'others' are a figment of our (collective) imagination(s).

Mass hypnosis is a possibility but I can only accomplish that within immediate vicinities.

Sun rose in my night dream last night. Many saw it. Several others. It was seen.

OMG your a prophet!

 

[blackout]

this perspective gives all the power of existence to the observer who is ultimately biased. so if something indeed exists without observation the power of existence is now shifted to the observed...

You did not understand my meaning at all.

 

[waitasec]

You did not understand my meaning at all.

i'll read it again..

edit:
ok i just did and i came up with the same conclusion...
please forgive my emphasis...

The sun may very well continue doing what it "always does" this morning,
but it will not rise, just as it will not 'be' yellow,
if there is no one with human eyes
from the human perspective on the earth
to witness it. (doing what it always does)

i understand that as giving power of existence to the observer.

 

[horizon_mj1]

Sound wave: A longitudinal pressure wave of audible or inaudible sound: Longitudinal pressure wave: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Longitudinal_wave
This means there is a continuum of matter involved with a sound wave; once it is created it cannot be uncreated, therefore yes it makes a sound even if there isn’t a living creature to hear it happen.:bow:

 

[Willamena]

i understand that as giving power of existence to the observer.

The existence of "rise" and "yellow," but not of the sun. And yes, they are most certainly biased in their relativity.