Identity politics, the snake devouring itself.

[Enoch07]

If your perspective requires a vast conspiracy of scientists, educators, covert foreign operatives, politicians, and shadowy government agencies. . . All apparently under the serive of a single nefarious ideology. . . Then you've probably gone off the deep end

Huh?

I never said anything about a vast conspiracy.

It is a subtle subversive destabilization, initiated by a now fallen super power, that was meant to weaken us for foreign invasion or self implosion. The people involved do not know they have been conditoned or why. Nor do they care, social justice must be achieved at all cost. This is the only thing they know or care about.

Yuri even mentions in the video that these "useful idiots" will be among the first to go after the invasion. Because they will resist the invaders as well, even though they are the ones that caused the initial destabilization for the invasion. This was all intended and accounted for 60+ years ago.

What they didn't count on was the amount of people able to resist/rebel the conditioning. The fall of the U.S.S.R. And other various factors that has contributed to us being able to push back and not be totally handicapped as intended.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Huh?

I never said anything about a vast conspiracy.

It is a subtle subversive destabilization, initiated by a now fallen super power, that was meant to weaken us for foreign invasion or self implosion. The people involved do not know they have been conditoned or why. Nor do they care, social justice must be achieved at all cost. This is the only thing they know or care about.

Yuri even mentions in the video that these "useful idiots" will be among the first to go after the invasion. Because they will resist the invaders as well, even though they are the ones that caused the initial destabilization for the invasion. This was all intended and accounted for 60+ years ago.

What they didn't count on was the amount of people able to resist/rebel the conditioning. The fall of the U.S.S.R. And other various factors that has contributed to us being able to push back and not be totally handicapped as intended.

You literally just described a conspiracy theory.

 

[Wirey]

You literally just described a conspiracy theory.

Can't you see, man? The gub'mint is using chemicals sprayed by airplanes that melt tinfoil hats to make us all miss Star Search so America's Got Talent can distract us from the fact that all street lights are alien space ships positioning themselves to tie us up through traffic gridlock!


Wake up, Sheeple!

 

[Stevicus]

Excuses excuses


That is what yout suggesting though. That someone has false flagged them and trying to pin a bad rep on them. The writing is on the wall! Literally haha! Ignore it if you want. /shrug

I said that it could be that. It could be anything. I'm just not as quick to jump to conclusions based on limited information as you are.

 

[Enoch07]

You literally just described a conspiracy theory.

I said that it could be that. It could be anything. I'm just not as quick to jump to conclusions based on limited information as you are.

Nothing quick about it. This is information has been collected over years of study. Unless you think Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Stefan Molyneux, Phil Mason and many other prestigious modern philosophers and professors are also conspiracy theory nut jobs. Because they also see this social justice phenomenon and have spoken out against it.

 

[Stevicus]

As a liberal, I agree for the most part. Improve the standard of living for the poor actually requires left-leaning, big government services, paid for through taxation of the more affluent.

The reason we've become the party your describing is because the Democratic party has become economically centrist. . . protecting Wall Street and allowing less regulation and taxation. Both Clinton's and Obama were economically centrist. It's one of the reasons democrats get the low turnout they do.

I agree, although from what I've been hearing in many of these discussions, most of the elite Democrats (and their stauncher supporters) still seem clueless about this fact. They'll blame the Russians, "fake news," Martians - whatever. They'll say anything to avoid having to face the truth that there's no significant difference between them and the Republicans when it comes to economic policies.

The best way to get rid of "identity politics," as it is being referred to here, is to simply reform the criminal justice system, get congress to get off their butts and pass substatial immigration legislations that allows more paths to citizenship, and tell state governors to stop proposing religiously-driven legislation.

If the right simply allows these things to move forward, then all the sudden, no more problems that bother you over your morning cornflakes. This troubling "identity politics" stuff just goes away.

I would say that the best way to deal with identity politics is to impose wide-reaching economic reforms and bring about greater economic equality. The only reason why identity politics becomes a thing at all is because of the economic disparities and social inequities. If not for that, then identity politics just becomes an issue of "feelings" without any political application.

 

[Stevicus]

Nothing quick about it. This is information has been collected over years of study. Unless you think Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Stefan Molyneux, Phil Mason and many other prestigious modern philosophers and professors are also conspiracy theory nut jobs. Because they also see this social justice phenomenon and have spoken out against it.

I never said anyone was a "conspiracy theory nut job," nor do I even think that. All I'm saying here is that this scribbling you referred to earlier could have been done by anyone - and we can't draw any real conclusions from it. If you're saying that these "years of study" can give us accurate information about the individual who wrote this scribbling or what their motives were, then please show it to me.

If you're suggesting that the Russians are behind the social justice phenomenon (as you did earlier), then I would find reason to question it.

 

[Enoch07]

If you're suggesting that the Russians are behind the social justice phenomenon (as you did earlier), then I would find reason to question it.

Fair enough, but like I say there are well known modern philosphers and professors who also theorize the same or similar.

 

[Stevicus]

Fair enough, but like I say there are well known modern philosphers and professors who also theorize the same or similar.

I just don't see it coming from the far left or from Russia. I don't see how they would benefit from it.

 

[Enoch07]

I just don't see it coming from the far left or from Russia. I don't see how they would benefit from it.

No one benefits. The KGB doesn't exist anymore. It got dissolved with the U.S.S.R in 1989. The KGB is the equivalent of the CIA here. Spycraft, intelligence, working targets, manipulating people to achieve goals is what these people do.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

The only reason why identity politics becomes a thing at all is because of the economic disparities and social inequities. If not for that, then identity politics just becomes an issue of "feelings" without any political application.

Bingo.

I also see a big difference between social activism that attempts to fix disparities, and the kind of nonesense we see in some college campuses.

In general, these are middle to upper class college kids who have a lot of passion, but no life experience to use it effectively. . . or "limousine liberal" celebrities who are overreaching. So yeah. . . they do silly stuff like protest public speakers and call for safe spaces free from criticism.

The big problem is that much of right wing media will feed off of this minority of voices, and conflate them as either the voice of liberal ideology as a whole, or as some sinister plot to destroy the world. . . i.e. the OP.

But mostly, I agree with much f what you say.


P.S. I do want to add (since you brought it up) that I see the Russian collusion problem as an American security risk, and not a partisan issue. . . and even if there was propaganda spread falsely in social media to influence us, we still voted in a fair election. The real issue is national security, and it's hard to believe that every citizen in the US isn't alarmed and worried about the next attempted security breach in our elections.

 

[Stevicus]

No one benefits. The KGB doesn't exist anymore. It got dissolved with the U.S.S.R in 1989. The KGB is the equivalent of the CIA here. Spycraft, intelligence, working targets, manipulating people to achieve goals is what these people do.

So what does this have to do with the picture of the scribbling you posted earlier? What are we talking about anyway?

 

[tytlyf]

No one benefits. The KGB doesn't exist anymore. It got dissolved with the U.S.S.R in 1989. The KGB is the equivalent of the CIA here. Spycraft, intelligence, working targets, manipulating people to achieve goals is what these people do.

Correct, the KGB doesn't exist. There is no current Russian intelligence agency.

 

[Enoch07]

So what does this have to do with the picture of the scribbling you posted earlier? What are we talking about anyway?

Don't worry about it. If ya can't follow along.

 

[Enoch07]

Correct, the KGB doesn't exist. There is no current Russian intelligence agency.

Sure there is, it just isnt called the KGB, and it has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[Stevicus]

Bingo.

I also see a big difference between social activism that attempts to fix disparities, and the kind of nonesense we see in some college campuses.

In general, these are middle to upper class college kids who have a lot of passion, but no life experience to use it effectively. . . or "limousine liberal" celebrities who are overreaching. So yeah. . . they do silly stuff like protest public speakers and call for safe spaces free from criticism.

The big problem is that much of right wing media will feed off of this minority of voices, and conflate them as either the voice of liberal ideology as a whole, or as some sinister plot to destroy the world. . . i.e. the OP.

I think a large part of the problem is that, all too often, the liberal message tends to get watered down, muddled, and so confused that it sends mixed messages and leaves people wondering. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with "identity politics" in the sense that they're rooted in the politics of liberation, freedom, equality - these are all good things that liberals support. But they somehow went awry when they decided to sell out and produce a more "corporate friendly" version of "social justice."

P.S. I do want to add (since you brought it up) that I see the Russian collusion problem as an American security risk, and not a partisan issue. . . and even if there was propaganda spread falsely in social media to influence us, we still voted in a fair election. The real issue is national security, and it's hard to believe that every citizen in the US isn't alarmed and worried about the next attempted security breach in our elections.

I think people in general have become concerned about computer security - not just with elections, but with their personal data and credit card info. There are national security concerns as well.

But let's face it - all of these weaknesses have been in the system for quite some time, and they could have been just as easily exploited by nefarious forces within the US. We've tolerated it and accepted it - the corruption, deceit, and duplicity of our government. We accept the culture of political campaigns, the pandering and manipulation of the voters. This is what we should truly be alarmed about, not that the Russians figured out these obvious weaknesses.

 

[Augustus]

This was taken after the first Berkeley riot when Milo went to speak the first time. Almost nobody knew who Antifa was, let alone what they stood for. That picture actually helped shine a light on them. Its authenticity is legit.

That was communist graffiti, not Antifa graffiti.

Anti-fascist action =/= communism

 

[Enoch07]

That was communist graffiti, not Antifa graffiti.

Anti-fascist action =/= communism

The original Antifaschistische Aktion - Wikipedia was communist. Just so we are clear. This is a common theme in most Antifa reiterations.

The Antifa in Berkeley is mostly anarcho-communist. They use a variation of the original flag. Also they carry the hammer and sickle flag. Nag on endlessly about a socialist workers paradise, and how much capitalism sucks. They are indeed communist.

 

[Augustus]

The original Antifaschistische Aktion - Wikipedia was communist. Just so we are clear. This is a common theme in most Antifa reiterations.

It's not the 1930s anymore...

The Antifa in Berkeley is mostly anarcho-communist. They use a variation of the original flag. Also they carry the hammer and sickle flag. Nag on endlessly about a socialist workers paradise, and how much capitalism sucks. They are indeed communist.

They are generally anarchists, not Stalinists/Maoists of the type who would say 'liberals get the bullet too'.

Not all of the far left is 'Antifa'.

 

[Enoch07]

Not all of the far left is 'Antifa'.

Of course not, but of the far left Antifa is the problem.