I have another question for YOU to ignore

[savagewind]

I think you should answer this. If you won't, I will know you are a troll. What is your proof that God gave us the Bible to live by?

Also, please answer this. Is the work of making disciples for making other people live by it?

 

[savagewind]

Make means to 'cause' and disciple means 'to become a pupil'.

So we are to "cause people of all nations to become a pupil"

A? LOL

 

[savagewind]

Why are "YOU" the only one He tells these things? You should check that voice telling you this stuff!

I am the only one I know who is keeping up with him. Matthew 24:12-13

 

[savagewind]

Why are "YOU" the only one He tells these things? You should check that voice telling you this stuff!

You might check your voice too. Have you NOT ever said that eight million people believing something does not make it true?

One person believing something does not make it false.

 

[savagewind]

I think you should answer this. If you won't, I will know you are a troll. What is your proof that God gave us the Bible to live by?

Also, please answer this. Is the work of making disciples for making other people live by it?

I really want to talk about this. Are you willing?

 

[savagewind]

OK Mr. Troll or should I call you Mr. Leen?

God's will is for believers to go to other people to make them into learners, according to the Bible.

Then why does the Bible say this? For this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

Or perhaps the truth according to YOU, "For this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour who wants all people to be led to a knowledge of the truth for their salvation.

You have people GOING, but the infallible word of God has people COMING. Please explain this discrepancy.

What about this one? John 3:17. That seems to me to be a perfect spot for saying what YOU say which is, "God did not write the Bible to condemn the world but to save the world by it".

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

What is the grace of God? The Bible?

 

[savagewind]

People is plural. A is singular. Yes, I am sure.

 

[savagewind]

Is the Bible the grace of God? Titus 2:11

2 Timothy 1:10 Is the gospel the Bible?

 

[savagewind]

@djhwoodwerks what is the purpose of living according to The Bible?

And please share the proof you have that God gave the world the Bible so that everyone might live by it.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

What is your proof that God gave us the Bible to live by?

Matthew 4:4 (ESV Strong's) 4 But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

A? LOL

That is how I know you don't research anything before you make a post!

g3100. μαθητεύω mathēteuō; from 3101; intransitively, to become a pupil; transitively, to disciple, i.e. enrol as scholar: — be disciple, instruct, teach.

Who's LOLing now?

I am the only one I know who is keeping up with him. Matthew 24:12-13

The only one huh? You must be proud!

Also, please answer this. Is the work of making disciples for making other people live by it?

No, we can't "make" anyone "live by it" only the Holy Spirit can. That's not what Jesus meant, for us to make people live by the Word of God. Did Jesus "MAKE" the disciples follow Him?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

OK Mr. Troll or should I call you Mr. Leen?

God's will is for believers to go to other people to make them into learners, according to the Bible.

Then why does the Bible say this? For this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

Or perhaps the truth according to YOU, "For this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour who wants all people to be led to a knowledge of the truth for their salvation.

You have people GOING, but the infallible word of God has people COMING. Please explain this discrepancy.

What about this one? John 3:17. That seems to me to be a perfect spot for saying what YOU say which is, "God did not write the Bible to condemn the world but to save the world by it".

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

What is the grace of God? The Bible?

I bet you believe all that jibber jabber make sense don't you?

One doesn't need a high school education to know that, "to come to a knowledge of truth" means movement of any kind. I though you were being taught by Jesus?

If I say, "I have come to a conclusion" does that mean I went somewhere, or moved towards something? No, no it doesn't!

If I say, "come to your senses" are you going to come to me to get them?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

OK Mr. Troll or should I call you Mr. Leen?

Don't look now, but your 'witness' is showing again!

 

[savagewind]

The only one huh? You must be proud!

Actually proud is what makes people quit following him imho.

Anyway, God is the MAKER. Jesus would never say that it is people who make. Disciple is a verb. It means to learn from Jesus. YOU learn from the Bible. Right?
Is Jesus the Bible?

 

[savagewind]

Matthew 4:4 (ESV Strong's) 4 But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

From the mouth of God or the pen of men?

What is written in Revelation? Listen to what the Spirit says to the congregation. LISTEN. Have you turned listen into read? Have you turned hear into reason? Oh, your JW is showing. It is what they do.
The Word of God is alive. Is the Bible alive?
What does this mean? "I have many more things TO SAY, but you are not able to bear them presently."
The words of the Bible are words someone else heard. Correct? What is written about leaning on the understanding of others?

Wisdom is something to ask for. Are you asking?

 

[savagewind]

No, we can't "make" anyone "live by it" only the Holy Spirit can. That's not what Jesus meant, for us to make people live by the Word of God. Did Jesus "MAKE" the disciples follow Him?

What are you saying? The Holy Spirit can make people live by the Bible and Jesus didn't make people follow him. To follow Jesus is to live by him. Can we agree on that? To follow Jesus is to live with him. Correct? John 14:23
Is following Jesus and following the written word the same, according to you? If it is the same, how is it the same?

If Jesus disciples are to live by the Bible, what are they to do when new scrolls are opened? Revelation 20:12

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Matthew 4:4 (ESV Strong's) 4 But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Ah, but does that mean a pile of paper we can't prove anything about or does it mean God's direct words to us?

 

[savagewind]

Jesus, "dear people of mine, to you it appeared I left (they hung me to die), but YOU please disciple (keep learning from me) in every nation, you may baptize and even teach (but be careful HOW you teach) and I promise I will be with you to help you". " Do not learn the nation's ways, keep learning God's way (disciple-the VERB)." The Way, the Truth and the Life. @djhwoodwerks YOU seem to say the Bible is the way. Is that what you are saying? If it is, and you also believe Jesus is it then there are two ways, according to you. I call that CONFUSING.

OUR Father in Heaven let YOUR name be made holy, Let YOUR kingdom rule, let YOUR will be done,

Let the Bible be made holy too? Where is it said? Let the Bible rule? Where is it said? Let people obey what the Bible says? How is that possible?

 

[savagewind]

If it is God's will that a disciple is someone who makes disciples, please tell me what your extra disciples are for? 1 Samuel 14:6

If you make a disciple and teach him, please know that he really is YOUR disciple.

 

[savagewind]

Is mammon only money? The Bible says mammon is money. I was going to say that @djhwoodwerks you are actually a disciple of that man who moved you to think differently. You TRUST he made you a disciple. To trust in anything other than The Lord is mammon, and nobody seems to know that but me. It is written, you can't serve God AND mammon, but the meaning is lost. Too bad, I say.

Mammon noun

1. wealth regarded as an evil influence or false object of worship and devotion. It was taken by medieval writers as the name of the devil of covetousness, and revived in this sense by Milton.

Define wealth: an abundance or profusion of anything; plentiful amount:

Can mammon be a person's idea of his own wisdom and understanding?

Isn't it true that a person CAN NOT be acting upon his own understanding AND be serving God at the same time?

You say wealth, mammon, is money. What about, "the pearl of high value"? He sold all he had ie his wealth and bought it. Now he has no money. He only has one pearl. Is it his money? What do you think he might get with just one pearl?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Disciple is a verb. It means to learn from Jesus.

Isn't that what I've been saying?

g3100. μαθητεύω mathēteuō; from 3101; intransitively, to become a pupil; transitively, to disciple, i.e. enrol as scholar: — be disciple, instruct, teach.

So, you don't learn from the Bible?

YOU learn from the Bible. Right? Is Jesus the Bible?

You tell me if you think He is.

John 1:1 (ESV Strong's) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (ESV Strong's) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Revelation 19:13 (ESV Strong's) 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.