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I don't get Revelation 21:8

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Frank Goad, Jun 25, 2022.

  1. Frank Goad

    Frank Goad Well-Known Member

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    Would you make someone burn in fire just because they lied to much?And besides lying to much was a good person?In Revelation 21:8 God does just that.Why?:):confused:
     
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    Maybe it's a metaphor. I choose to see it that way.
    The fire is the turmoil one suffers from lying.
    To escape the "fire" one only has to stop the lies.

    Hell is the torment suffered directly from the act of sinning.
    Hell is eternal for us until we choose to stop sinning.
     
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  4. paarsurrey

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    " Revelation 21:8 "

    It is not from Jesus, as it is not colored red, in the KJV red letter bible*, one may check it kindly:
    New Testament (RLE): The Revelation of Saint John the Divine
    Right?

    Regards
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    * "Translated out of the original Greek, and with the former translations diligently compared and revised,

    with all the words recorded therein as having been spoken by our Lord printed in Red."
     
  5. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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    Hopefully I wouldn't.

    The liar thinks they are playing a game. They are like a child. The angry person seeks to end some kind of pain, but they are like a puppy chasing its tail.

    The author of Revelation is thought to be the same one who wrong the gospel of John. It is reasonable to assume I think that Rev 21:5 "...I am making everything new!..." is about the new creation described in the gospel of John. Jesus ministry is the light upon the new creation. Everyone who is adopted through Jesus is part of that new creation begun and finished by Jesus message, and that person leaves behind the dying world. They live in a new world, but those who do not are dead to that new world. Thus there is a second death. These are referred to by John in Revelation as fearful, immoral, pimps, drug pushers, manipulators and liars. (I am paraphrasing that, and it is not accurate. But who is accurate?) So this second death which is in symbol a lake of burning sulfur is in practical terms exclusion from the new creation. It just means they are losing out on participation in Christ.
     
  6. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    I think it goes beyond just what they are doing. There is s difference IMV between liars and those who lie. Ultimately, it is those who have decided to follow the father of lies, that is the devil.

    Hell, if real, wasn't created for man but for the devil and his angels and demons. But if you decide to follow the devil, then you just get to follow him (free will)
     
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    Romans 6:23, "For the wage paid by sin is death". Jesus said that the only one that is good is God in heaven. People that believe they are good are practicing self-righteousness. We can check ourselves by reading the 10 commandments to see what sins we've been committing. Then, with a contrite heart, ask God to forgive us of our sins. Call on Jesus and make a commitment to turn your life around and ask Him to help you. You must have faith in God and Jesus and trust them with all you have. There can be no doubts. Doubts kill faith.
     
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    Lying is really the basis for most sin. Especially lying to yourself.
     
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    IF people make a mistake THEN karma takes care of that, not for me to do that.
    Note: Karma in this context are the Spiritual Laws, similar like "Jump from the Eiffel Tower, and you die most probably"
     
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    No, God not does that. Those who lie, bring that upon themselves
    If you jump from the Eiffel Tower, do you claim "God killed me"
    Well, you can't claim it when you are dead, but it's clear, right?
     
  11. Frank Goad

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    Good point!:)
     
  12. Hockeycowboy

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    Because as @Nakosis stated, fire is a metaphor. In Scripture, many times fire is used to imply complete destruction. Just as with using literal fire, you’ll never get anything back that caught on fire, it’s gone forever … it’s the same when fire is used metaphorically, ie, figuratively, ie, symbolically.


    And the word translated torment?
    Please google “torment jw.org”.
    You’ll see that tormented forever means jailed in death forever; held in bonds of death forever.

    IOW, people who persist in these behaviors, will never come back; they will be ‘dead forever’.
     
  13. syo

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    Frank, you got it wrong. These people won't burn in fire. They ADD to the fire. If I lie to you, you'll feel unease like in fire. ;)
     
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