How long ago was Adam created?

[Blentyn chan Celi]

francine

my dear, you must go back and rethink your numbers. please let me explain. i am saddly aware that i am going to speak of things on here that are new terroritory but i asure you it is well worth looking in to.

I’m sure we are all familiar with the Zodiac, but I don’t see its relevance here.

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

The Adam and Eve story is an allegory. You might as well ask when Mother Goose was created.

“The Sot has spoken.”

 

[sandy whitelinger]

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However, as you alluded to in your title… as it says in Genesis, Adam lived 960 years and died. Do you think it is possible that the age recorded when Adam died is how long it had been since he was made mortal? In other words, as he was immortal, he was not aging.

Adam wan't immortal as evidenced by the fact that he died.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Adam wan't immortal as evidenced by the fact that he died.

He would have been immortal before he sinned.

 

[fantome profane]

Mother Goose isn't mentioned in Scripture.

Well that depends on what you consider to be scripture. For me personally Mother Goose is scripture. And all scripture is useful, even if it contains stories about talking animals.

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

He would have been immortal before he sinned.

Thank you.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

He would have been immortal before he sinned.

immortal means unable to die so death annuls that concept for whatever reason.

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

immortal means unable to die so death annuls that concept for whatever reason.

Pardon me Sandy, I don’t mean to disagree with you. We are just not understanding each other.

Now, all I am trying to propose is that…

Adam was immortal at the time of his creation (derived from the fact that he later became mortal). Then it is stated in Genesis 5 that he lived 130 years and begot Seth and so on. Is it possible that his age at the time of his death given in verse 3 (930) refers to how many years he lived as a mortal man and not how many years it had been since he was created? If this is the case then he and Eve could have lived in a state of immortality for who knows how long before Eve was tempted by Satin. I’m not trying to invent an escape route from the YEC conundrum; I’m just proposing a hypothesis.

I understanding your assertion that he was not immortal evidenced by the fact that he died; however, I think that it is clear that before the original sin, neither he nor Eve were destined to die. First he was immortal, then he sinned, then he was mortal, then he died. A careful interpretation on Genesis 2:17 is crucial.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

immortal means unable to die so death annuls that concept for whatever reason.

But, man was not cursed to die until after sin. Thus, Adam lost his immortality.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Pardon me Sandy, I don’t mean to disagree with you. We are just not understanding each other.

Now, all I am trying to propose is that…

Adam was immortal at the time of his creation (derived from the fact that he later became mortal). Then it is stated in Genesis 5 that he lived 130 years and begot Seth and so on. Is it possible that his age at the time of his death given in verse 3 (930) refers to how many years he lived as a mortal man and not how many years it had been since he was created? If this is the case then he and Eve could have lived in a state of immortality for who knows how long before Eve was tempted by Satin. I’m not trying to invent an escape route from the YEC conundrum; I’m just proposing a hypothesis.

I understanding your assertion that he was not immortal evidenced by the fact that he died; however, I think that it is clear that before the original sin, neither he nor Eve were destined to die. First he was immortal, then he sinned, then he was mortal, then he died. A careful interpretation on Genesis 2:17 is crucial.

A careful, or even a cursory for that matter, reading of Genesis 3 shows that eternal life (not immortality) came from the Tree of Life and was not inherent to man.

 

[kai]

Destruction of Jerusalem (587 BC, established by archaelogy and Jewish/secular records) until present time (2008 AD)=2,594 years. There was no year zero.

Reigns of the kings of Judah from the fall of Jerusalem back to
King Joash:

11 Zedekiah (2 Kings 24:18)
0.25 Jehoiachin (2 Kings 24:8)
11 Jehoiakim (2 Kings 23:36)
0.25 Jehoahaz (2 Kings 23:31)
31 Josiah (2 Kings 22:1)
2 Amon (2 Kings 21:19)
55 Manasseh (2 Kings 21:1)
29 Hezekiah (2 Kings 18:2)
16 Ahaz (2 Kings 16:2)
16 Jotham (2 Kings 15:33)
52 Azariah (2 Kings 15:2)
29 Amaziah (2 Kings 14:2)
40 Joash (2 Kings 12:2)
7 Athaliah (2 Kings 11:3)
1 Ahaziah (2 Kings 8:25)
8 Jehoram (2 Kings 8:16)
-7 years (Jehoram became King of Judah in the fifth year of the
twelve-year reign of King Joram of Israel)
----
Subtotal: 301.5 years

Reigns of the Kings of Israel from Joram to Solomon:

12 Joram (2 Kings 3:1)
2 Ahaziah (1 Kings 22:52)
22 Ahab (1 Kings 16:29)
12 Omri (1 Kings 16:23)
4 Tibni (1 Kings 16:22)
2 Elah (1 Kings 16:8)
24 Baasha (1 Kings 15:33)
2 Nadab (1 Kings 15:25)
22 Jeroboam (1 Kings 14:20)

Division of the Kingdom into the House of Israel, ruled by King
Jeroboam, and the House of Judah, ruled by Rehoboam (1 Kings
12:20)

40 Solomon (1 Kings 11:42)

-4 years (the beginning of the construction of the temple was in
Solomon's fourth year of power)
-----
Subtotal: 138 years

480 years from the Exodus to the beginning of the construction of the temple (1 Kings 6:1)

430 years from the migration of Israel to the Exodus (Exo. 12:40)

130 age of Jacob when he arrived in Egypt (Gen. 47:9)

60 Isaac to Jacob (Gen. 25:26)
100 Abraham to Isaac (Gen. 21:5)
70 Terah to Abraham (Gen. 11:26)
29 Nahor to Terah (Gen. 11:24)
30 Serug to Nahor (Gen. 11:22)
32 Reu to Serug (Gen. 11:20)
30 Peleg to Reu (Gen. 11:18)
34 Eber to Peleg (Gen. 11:16)
30 Shelah to Eber (Gen. 11:14)
35 Arpaschad to Shelah (Gen. 11:12)
100 Shem to Arpaschad (Gen. 11:10)
500 Noah to Shem (Gen. 5:32)
182 Lamech to Noah (Gen. 5:28)
187 Methuselah to Lamech (Gen. 5:25)
65 Enoch to Methuselah (Gen. 5:21)
162 Jared to Enoch (Gen. 5:18)
65 Mahalalel to Jared (Gen. 5:15)
70 Kenan to Mahalalel (Gen. 5:12)
90 Enosh to Kenan (Gen. 5:9)
105 Seth to Enosh (Gen. 5:6)
130 Adam to Seth (Gen. 5:3)
-----
Subtotal: 2,106 years

Grand total:

2,584+301.5+138+480+430+130+2,106=

6,179.5 years

what is your point ?

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

A careful, or even a cursory for that matter, reading of Genesis 3 shows that eternal life (not immortality) came from the Tree of Life and was not inherent to man.

So we are disagreeing on connotative semantics of the different terms? In that case, replace every instance where I used “immortal” with “eternal life.” Do you still disagree?

 

[camanintx]

Adam was created between 2,500 and 3,000 years ago when the Book of Genesis was first written.

 

[Katzpur]

Adam was created between 2,500 and 3,000 years ago when the Book of Genesis was first written.

I don't know a person alive who believes that.

 

[camanintx]

I don't know a person alive who believes that.

Have you never known a Buddhist, Hindu or a follower of Shinto? Maybe you need to get out more.

 

[Katzpur]

Have you never known a Buddhist, Hindu or a follower of Shinto? Maybe you need to get out more.

You're telling me that Buddhists, Hindus and Shintos believe in Genesis? Yeah, I guess I do need to get out more.

 

[camanintx]

You're telling me that Buddhists, Hindus and Shintos believe in Genesis? Yeah, I guess I do need to get out more.

No, I'm pretty sure that they believe Adam is just a character in a book written 2,500 to 3,000 years ago.

 

[Francine]

You're telling me that Buddhists, Hindus and Shintos believe in Genesis?

Sure, they still have faded Phil Collins t-shirts from the 1978 concert in Japan.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Adam was created between 2,500 and 3,000 years ago when the Book of Genesis was first written.

Uhhh, the Torah has been around for longer than 3,000 years. The NT isn't much younger than 2,500 years.

 

[camanintx]

Uhhh, the Torah has been around for longer than 3,000 years. The NT isn't much younger than 2,500 years.

If the NT is about Jesus, who existed only 2,000 years ago, how could it be 2,500 years old?