Perhaps so,the organized religion is just a medium for them to reach the consciousness within.
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How can you tell the difference between a Prophet and false Prophet
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Perhaps so,the organized religion is just a medium for them to reach the consciousness within.
Mellonhead
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That isn't very conclusive.
I can spread a positive, vast, and morally well balanced message. It doesn't need to come from a god.
Mellonhead
Member
If a message needs to come from a god for it to have a point to you. Then you are following the god for the wrong reasons.
That is a believe of obedience out of fear, not rationality.
Same could be said of the message
Mellonhead
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Gladly. You follow your faith blindly, seemingly out of fear, and you would do so no matter what the message was because of what people you haven't met claim the creator you haven't seen says. (Or, at least that's what you say makes it sound like, since it's not what is being said, but who says it, according to you.)
People make religions, and most religious types are to afraid to debate this fact because the lack of a basic foundation of evidence.
Bismillah
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That is a blind assumption and an insult to boot.
Another blind assumption. Taqwa plays a part, Tawhid plays a much larger one.
That is completely wrong. It is quite obvious to me from the ideal and implementation of the speech the divinity of the message. It is exactly what is said that frames my opinion about it in other words, but discussing a message that is clearly not one that is divinely inspired (as you claimed) is pointless.
Mellonhead
Member
An insult? You follow a book that hasn't been updated in hundreds of years and you call my claim lacking of proof? (By the way we update modern school books quite often.)
Prove taqwa. And tawhid was obviously written my educated man (prove me wrong.)
If something seems moral or splendid it is automatically divine? As I stated before, the solar system we live in will die in a way that makes the plague of gods seem pitiful by comparison. We are a species of animal that can shape the world we live on, what we say and discuss is more important then the words of ancient men who's mouth they claim the words come from, has yet to be proven to exist.
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Bismillah
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A book sprung from divine revelation does not need to be "updated" as its messages of the state of man and his purpose is timeless. But your insult is your derisive implication that I follow faith blindly.
As a man of certain social mannerisms I would hardly label individuals I do not know with such slander.
I cannot comprehend this statement, could you make this simpler for me please?
Of course not, but if something constitutes the realities of purpose and stipulates a way to achieve that purpose it is. On every single level it establishes the correct and most practical method of living.
What an arbitrary statement. What exactly are you stating.
Are you going to establish a cognizant claim? Are you implying that somehow progress and discussion is prohibited or restricted?
Mellonhead
Member
Let's stick with one thing at a time here, that way no one get's confused or off track, as I tend to do sometimes as an eccentric.
A book sprung from divine revelation? Do you have any way to prove this?
I may have been a tad harsh, but you called my claim lacking of proof, when your entire religion is lacking of proof.
Bismillah
Submit
That is fine.
The message that appeals to my heart, confirms my purpose, and stipulates pragmatic ways to establish both myself, my family, and my community to pursue this purpose.
Your claim is wrong. You stated "That is a believe of obedience out of fear, not rationality."
I responded that Taqwa is a portion of Islam but Tawhid certainly is the all-encompassing one.
The proof is within the message itself. What it states, asks of me, and how I should abide by its message.
Mellonhead
Member
That doesn't prove anything. Again, you are stating that just because someone knows how to govern your life better then you do, means that the message came from some sort of god figure?
I don't even know what you are trying to claim. If I will not accept a claim that is entirely based off faith from an entire religion, I will certainly not accept it from a single individual.
I don't even know what you are trying to claim. If I will not accept a claim that is entirely based off faith from an entire religion, I will certainly not accept it from a single individual.
Mellonhead
Member
I am sorry for the way i came off at first, I do apologize. But the message your religion puts forward could have come from wise men and not a God, and the point I am trying to make, is you have no way to prove otherwise.
It is a personal faith that in all likelihood simply came from wise people, and not a god.
KnightOwl
Member
+1 Since nobody knows the future, claiming to is the falsity in and of itself.
Mind you, this doesn't preclude predictions based on reasonable assumptions such as, "The sun will rise tomorrow." [assuming one means, it will appear on the horizon due to the rotation of the earth]
KnightOwl
Member
Sorry, but that is not proof. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Bismillah
Submit
What do you believe is the message of my religion?
There have been messages before and messages after, I look at both the message and the instructions given in how to implement them.
Both the message rings true and the application is both practical and revolutionary and something not seen until centuries were to pass by.