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History is scary. The present even scarier....

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
Each state isn't an independent nation. America even fought a civil war about 160 years ago to preserve the Union of the many states.
And the states didn't lose their seat. Each state still gets two senators. They are just now elected by the People instead of the House.
Politicians electing themselves should not happen. If anything the Senate could stay as is while the House is reformed to have proportionate representation to give representation to more people, because about 260 years ago "no taxation without representation" was a rally cry for a war that was eventually fought.
The States interests can be sold out from under them. The states by law have a lot of rights. Many in congress like to ignore this, but a state is a legal entity unto itself. Increasing the number of persons in congress could be helpful in some ways, however it further tip the balance of power away from smaller states.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
America is a democratic republic. This is apparent in the Constitution. In a modern, generalized sense it is one the many Western Liberal Democracies.
Pure democracy is mob rule, but in real life purities are an idea and not reality (unless it involves something like chemistry), especially in politics and society.
So why do people who dislike the Bill of rights keep calling us a democracy?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
So why do people who dislike the Bill of rights keep calling us a democracy?
Because it is correct to call America a democracy. It's splitting hairs to argue it isn't.
The States interests can be sold out from under them. The states by law have a lot of rights. Many in congress like to ignore this, but a state is a legal entity unto itself. Increasing the number of persons in congress could be helpful in some ways, however it further tip the balance of power away from smaller states.
That wouldn't be fixed by having those in power vote for those who will be in power. That centralizes power, and that is not good.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
Because it is correct to call America a democracy. It's splitting hairs to argue it isn't.

That wouldn't be fixed by having those in power vote for those who will be in power. That centralizes power, and that is not good.
I’m not sure you are discussing reality at this point the power of government got more centralized by taking the steps out of senate selection.
Can you cite we’re our constitution calls us a democracy????
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I’m not sure you are discussing reality at this point the power of government got more centralized by taking the steps out of senate selection.
How does having politicians electing politicians lead to decentralized power?
Can you cite we’re our constitution calls us a democracy????
Where does it say we're not? It is, as are most Western states today, a blend of a Republic and a Democracy.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
How does having politicians electing politicians lead to decentralized power?

Where does it say we're not? It is, as are most Western states today, a blend of a Republic and a Democracy.


When senators were picked by their state government they would not do things to give power to dc vs the state. Doing so would cost them their job.

“Benjamin Franklin was asked, upon his emergence from the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, what form of government the United States was going to have. Franklin answered succinctly, "A Republic, if you can keep it."”

given that he helped write the thing I think he knew. One can also look to the function when is the last time we voted as a nation on going to war, taxes or any other governments matter? We don’t because we are not a democracy.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Or 7:10...........
Re Ecclesiastes 7:10 vs Luke 9:62:
  1. Addressing Ecclesiastes, Rashi notes: "Do not wonder about the goodness that was bestowed upon the righteous men of yore, such as the generation of the wilderness, the generation of Yehoshua and the generation of Dovid. For everything depends upon the merit of the generations."
  2. Addressing Luke 9:62: Bible.org/netbible notes: "Jesus warns that excessive concern for family ties (looks back) will make the kingdom a lesser priority, which is not appropriate for discipleship. The image is graphic, for who can plow straight ahead toward a goal while looking back? Discipleship cannot be double-minded."
Yes, thank you, Ecclesiastes 7:10.
Once the Israelites left Egypt, in a short time they started to complain - Numbers 11:5-6,10
Perhaps thinking since Pharaoh and his army drowned they could return to Egypt and Not be in slavery.
They began to look behind and we should not want to look behind - 2 Peter 2:20-22
Yes, followers should Not look back - Matthew 10:37; Mark 10:29-30; Philippians 3:13
Look back and the plowing becomes crooked.
 
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