Andraste
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Well I was trying to think out side of the box ..... I was trying to pursue a (God) more like a natural force ... Possibly the collective intelligence of the multiverse past present and future....
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God or Super Consciousness
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Well I was trying to think out side of the box ..... I was trying to pursue a (God) more like a natural force ... Possibly the collective intelligence of the multiverse past present and future....
Nothing at all?
Andraste
Member
Like Having an old woman ripped to bits by camels... Having 800 Jewish men executed after they surrendered...
(Battle of the Trench) had their wives and daughters Raped by his Army.. The list of his atrocities and perversions goes on .... Remember the winners write the History..... This is all from authentic Hadiths..... So with that in mind he must have been a lot worse than that ...
So you choose to ignore all the Ahaadeeth which suggest he did have some redeeming qualities?
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
1= Peace be on humanity.
2= You seems to be having read books which spread wide miss-understandings about real Islam. All such common-to-all Prophets allegation [check what not was alleged about Moses, Jesus and others too] have been debated in RF.
3=Kindly get proper answers @ http://www.muhammadfactcheck.org/
about a lot of allegations.
Myth #1: Prophet Muhammad murdered 700 innocent Jews
Myth #2: Prophet Muhammad permitted Muslims to lie (Taqiyya) to spread Islam
Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage
Myth #4: Prophet Muhammad taught terrorism and Jihad to conquer the world for Islam
Myth #5: Prophet Muhammad taught death for apostasy and blasphemy
Myth #6: Prophet Muhammad Launched Raids on Innocent Merchants
Myth #7: Muhammad initially permitted idol worship
Myth #8: Muhammad demanded slaughter of the pluralistic Meccans
Myth #9: Muhammad Rejected Meccan Efforts to Establish Peace
Myth #10: Muhammad Left Mecca Because He Lost Abu Talib’s Protection
Myth #11: Muhammad Connived Zainab and Zaid To Divorce
Myth #12: Muhammad Terrorized People to Accept Islam
Myth #13: Muhammad Violated The Chivalrous Arab War Code
Myth #14: Muhammad Actively Massacred the Quraishi Army POW’s at Badr
Myth #15: Muhammad Ordered Murder of Eight Men for Apostasy
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Myth #24: Islam as taught by Muhammad is Anti-Semitic
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Myth #27: Muhammad taught that Islam Endorses Concubines
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Myth #35: Islam, as taught by Muhammad and Democracy are Incompatible
www DOTmuhammadfactcheckDOTorg/
4=Thanks if applicable.
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Andraste
Member
I couldn't disagree more .... He was simply a mass murdering Phycotic Peadophile......
I disagree. God, or Allah, as you call God, would only be God if one were to follow Islam and that requires a great deal of topics that I personally find not to my liking. IMO, God is something I like to call God of the Fifth Mountain, a phrase I have borrowed from Paulo Coehlo. IOW, God can be Allah to you and Kali to the Hindu or Jesus to the Christian and so on. Accordingly, each type of faith approaches that concept very differently and there is nothing wrong with that. It just reflects cultural and racial differences as well as different sacred texts, or even the absence of a text in some cases.
You seem to be targeting the Quran only. Why is that? The same premise you are speaking of could easily be applied to the Bible, the Tanakh and Talmud, the Teachings of The Buddha and so on. Why the focus on the one book?
And you know this.... how exactly? You are inferring from what can only be seen as a possible history of this man. We don't know for certain that any of what you say is true, anymore than we can know that Jesus was divine and walked on water or that The Buddha sat under the Bodhi tree. You are clearly demonstrating a very disturbing hatred for one religion which, IMO, borders on prejudice and bigotry.
Andraste
Member
I'm wondering if you have ever read that Terrorist manual aka the Quran or ever bothered to read the Hadiths... One thing is clear.... Islam isn't a religion it's a Cult of Muhammad' ... Or do you normally go around trying to defend known Peadophiles ...?
Actually, I have a PhD in theology and have read the Koran not only cover to cover, many times, but studied it indepth. I have a good deal of close colleagues who are Muslim and are some of the most peaceful people I know. Furthermore, they tend to require more of their children in terms of education than the lazy people in this country do, such as having to be able to speak at least two languages fluently. Much of the Tanakh could be argued to be seen as pedophilic as well. Take, for example, the story of Lot and his daughters, albeit that being more incest but given the age of the girls, it was also pedophilia. I will say that some blame the daughters in that story for getting Lot drunk. Additionally, polygamy is heavily promoted in the Tanakh. Whether Mohammed was a pedophile is a matter of debate but the one thing that is clear here is your overt bigotry. And that is not allowed, if I am not mistaken, by this forum.
Andraste
Member
Good for you.... But you are still defending a known Peadophile....
Essentially Islam is a cult of Muhammad..... He clearly made up the Quran... And used his new found status of a prophet to get simple minded people to do exactly what HE wanted them to do .... His legacy of Evil drips down from the past into the present... Yes I'm sure that there are some excellent Muslims... They are called Apostates ..
By the way would you like to explain the punishment for Apostasy .....
Essentially Islam is a cult of Muhammad..... He clearly made up the Quran... And used his new found status of a prophet to get simple minded people to do exactly what HE wanted them to do .... His legacy of Evil drips down from the past into the present... Yes I'm sure that there are some excellent Muslims... They are called Apostates ..
By the way would you like to explain the punishment for Apostasy .....
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Yes, you are getting there. Let's raise the intelligence factor of God just a bit. How about this?
Making rules and laws takes policing, then fairly judging and finally a punishment and reward system. Let's not forget deciding where to draw the line, making all those holy books and making sure everyone gets a copy. That does seem a lot of work with the diversity and sheer number of people not just here on Earth but throughout the universe. Isn't there a better way?
How about God making a system that runs itself, fixes everyone in time and all God has to do is love them all?
Let's think if we can come up with one. Allow everyone free choice. That way we choose what we need to learn through our choices. Next return all our actions back to us. What better way to learn what our choices mean than be on the receiving end? This will teach us to love as well because in time we will realize that is all we want to return. When one understands all sides, intelligence will make the right choices. Next, since learning can be slow, have many many lifetimes to learn.
With this system, diversity and interaction with others can be the teaching force. Since people tend not to act without a cause, adversity could be introduced to give direction to our lessons.
What would be the results of such a system? Everyone is the same. Everyone gets fixed. There is no bias or hate except that which the kiddies generate. Everything is fair. In the end we end up with wise loving children with very little work accomplishing it all.
A God capable of creating the universe has to be very smart. Perhaps, one needs to think higher and smarter as well. How about see how many smarter systems people can come up with than the current beliefs out there.