ecco
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Why make arguments that would only convince people who already agree with you? What's the point?
Do you seriously believe that any posts in any threads convince people who believe the opposite? Seriously?
Do you honestly believe that unbiased minds would conclude that I didn't read the article because you emphasized the critical points in a well-balanced article?
You believe in ESP. You linked to an article that clearly did not support ESP. I questioned whether you had actually read it since it didn't support your views. In fact, the findings in the article were that there was nothing to ESP.
Why would anyone post an article that goes contrary to their own beliefs? Oh, maybe they hadn't read and /or understood it.
Do you honestly believe that ridiculing an opponent's position by labeling it "woo" persuades unbiased minds that you're right? Ridicule alerts intelligent readers of your extreme bias on the topic. That' isn't smart. If you want to make arguments that persuade people, you should at least learn to fake objectivity.
Fake it - like pretending you read an article beyond the headline? I don't need to fake anything. If you think I am ridiculing your position by labelling the topics of your beliefs as woo, well, that's your opinion. I find the word "woo" covers a lot of ground - ESP, telekinesis, spoon bending, dowsing alien abductions and on and on and on.
Three simple letters - "w", "o", "o" is just so much easier.
When one makes a debatable claim, the burden of proof is theirs. However, in fairness, that burden should be reasonable. It's no great trick for opponents to raise the standard of proof to an unreasonable level. Both you and Charlie used that unfair tactic on me in this forum, but Charlie backed off when I pointed it out. You haven't.
Charlie can comment as he sees fit. I'll comment as I see fit. The burden of proof for woo (there's that word again) is the same as the burden of proof for anything else. What unreasonable level did I impose on you?
Interestingly that's the very same unfair tactic that mainstream scientists use against psi research.
It seems we have come full circle. If memory serves, you posted something like that a ways back and I responded that that sounded a lot like the complaints that Creos make. So, I'll just say again, that sounds a lot like the complaints that Creos make.
Mainstream scientists are dominated by philosophical materialists which explains their bias against psi research.
Do you mean "mainstream scientists" like the ones who study geology or aeronautics? What "mainstream scientists" are you talking about? What "mainstream scientists" are involved in researching
Philosophy should play no role in science but unfortunately it does. If the standard of proof for ordinary experiments in psychology was as high as it is for psi, none would make the grade.
I have no idea why you are jumping back and forth between commenting about scientists and people studying psychology and parapsychology.
But, I agree testing woo should be done without any attention to philosophy. I doubt the Randi Institute or other testing facilities incorporate philosophy while busting frauds.
Despite the bias and lack of funding, there's been some worthwhile research done.
Perhaps there is a lack of funding because most rational people, at least those with or controlling money, have come to understand that there is nothing to research.
Here's a list of some of the research available on the topic you have ridiculed by labeling it "woo," the subject which you claim has no evidence to support it. You'll also find links to other lists.
http://deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm
No. I'm not going to chase another of your blind links. If you think, after actually reading the contents for yourself, that there is anything there that supports your case, then post some excerpts and add your own commentary about what it means.