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God And Homosexuality

Mitty

Active Member
The Bible speaks of female homosexuality in both Romans 1 and in numerous passages in both testaments where ritual harlots are condemned. What is the concern here?
Only in your dreams. So where does the bible speak about female homosexuality in both Romans 1 and/or in numerous passages in both testaments? Or is that just wishful thinking?

And what is your evidence to support your claim that prostitutes are female homosexuals? Or did you just make that up, and is that just wishful thinking too?
 
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Mitty

Active Member
From where did you get the understanding that every use of the word love in the Bible is sex? For example, parents are NOT to have sex with their children but are to love them and vice versa.
So why did Lot sexually assault his daughters after he tried to pimp them and mocked his sons-in-law (Gen 19), and is that because the ten commandments etc didn't apply to him since biblical morality is obviously just man made, including the ten commandments?

Jesus said only God is good
In other words, Jesus didn't claim to be a god or to be without sin, given that he didn't deny being a boozer (Matt 11:19) as condemned by Paul (1Cor 6:10), which was why he performed a conjuring trick with some previously hidden wine in order to irresponsibly make some already "well drunk" boozers even drunker instead of suggesting they drink the water instead to help sober up (John 2:1-10).
 

Mitty

Active Member
You don't bother to explain your own words — go search it for yourself.
The bible doesn't say that it was wrong for Abraham to commit incest and adultery, given that the 10 commandments etc didn't apply to him. So presumably the Koran also says it was OK for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar.
 

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
So how many of your children are homosexuals?
To me - a homosexual is a person who engages in sexual acts with members of the same sex.

My children are very little and have yet to express any sexual desire for anyone of any sex.

When I feel that the moment is right I will teach them about sex and about God's plans for us.
 

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
So which particular homosexual behaviour is sinful, given that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuals and their behaviour?
God commands that His children only have sexual relations within marriage.

Marriage - as defined by God - is only between men and women.

Paul in Romans 1 clearly condemns homosexual acts for both men and women.
But the bible doesn't describe Earth as a rotating globe orbiting the Sun which is billions of years old.
The books in the Bible don't describe everything - because their purpose is not to be a repository for all knowledge.

They record what they record.
The bible, however, describes Earth as a flat immovable disc with ends and corners (Matt 4:8 Isaiah 40:22), and describes the universe as geocentric and as a dome-shaped tent attached at the ring of the horizon (Eccl 1:5 Isaiah 40:22)
Well - that chapter in Isaiah also claims that "All flesh is grass".

Do you believe that Isaiah was teaching that we are literally made of grass?

He also describes people as "lambs".

Do you believe that Isaiah was teaching that people are literally lambs that are made of grass?

He also claimed that "All nations before him are as nothing".

Do you believe that Isaiah was teaching that all nations of us literal lambs who are made of literal grass don't actually exist?

Even the very verse you referenced claimed that the inhabitants of the earth "are as grasshoppers".

Do you believe that Isaiah was teaching that all of the inhabitants of the Earth are literally lamb-grasshopper hybrids made of literal grass whose nations literally do not exist?

Or perhaps...possibly...there is a little more to it than you're willing to admit?
 

Piculet

Active Member
So presumably the Koran also says it was OK for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar.
The Qur'an and the Bible are very different books. It is probably best not to assume that they say the same thing about something, but find out instead, regarding each case, if you want to know.

In Islam a man can have 4 wives so a man with two wives is not adulterous if the marriage contracts are valid.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
To me - a homosexual is a person who engages in sexual acts with members of the same sex.
It doesn't matter what it means to you. It matters what medical science says it is. This is where a lot of the problem comes in: too many people who believe they're "authorities" because they "read the bible" or "believe in Jesus." There must be agreement as to what terms mean, and as to what social standards are. And that's not up to you.

Marriage - as defined by God - is only between men and women.
God doesn't define marriage. Ever. The biblical writers define marriage. There's a difference. One is immutable. One isn't. We have to be very careful about what we term "immutable" or "God's will," when dealing with a diverse society and when we cannot know for sure just what "God's will" is. The biblical writers wrote from their own knowledge base and cultural perspective. Neither is shared by us. Therefore, probably not the best thing to declare that what you "believe" is immutable. Immutability in that context invariably ends up excluding some. That's not what God had in mind.

Paul in Romans 1 clearly condemns homosexual acts for both men and women.
Paul clearly condemns some same-sex acts. We don't know specifically what acts they are, or in what context. Nor is it clear that those acts arise out of a homosexual orientation. Not all same-sex acts are homosexual acts. Are the acts loving? Committed? Consensual? Equitable? A method of expressing love and commitment to another human being? If so, many would define that as "marriage," and marriage is aces in God's book -- doesn't matter if the acts are heterosexual in nature or homosexual in nature.

BTW: I'd be careful about slinging too many rocks at the homosexual marriage thing, since your tradition historically practiced polygamy -- even though it was illegal in this country. And before you defend that practice by saying "times change and God issues new revelations from time to time," consider that God has issued a new revelation to many Christian authorities with regard to same-sex marriage, as well. And that's legal in this country.
 

Piculet

Active Member
There must be agreement as to what terms mean, and as to what social standards are. And that's not up to you.
Actually it is up to the people. If a group of people do not accept a definition for a term then there is no agreement and there's little you can do about it. For people with faith, science comes after faith. I.e. If there is a contradiction, one accepts what God commands and disregards what scientists say.
 

Mitty

Active Member
God commands that His children only have sexual relations within marriage.
Which is why Abraham had a sexual relationship with his sister given that a biblical marriage is simply a personal agreement between two people to shack up together.

Paul in Romans 1 clearly condemns homosexual acts for both men and women.
Wrong. Romans 1 says nothing at all about female homosexuals since they do not have anal sex, given that Romans 1:26-27 obviously describes anal sex of woman and men which Paul described as "vile" and "unseemly"

The books in the Bible don't describe everything - because their purpose is not to be a repository for all knowledge. They record what they record. Well - that chapter in Isaiah also claims that "All flesh is grass". Do you believe that Isaiah was teaching that we are literally made of grass? He also describes people as "lambs". Do you believe that Isaiah was teaching that people are literally lambs that are made of grass? He also claimed that "All nations before him are as nothing".
Do you believe that Isaiah was teaching that all nations of us literal lambs who are made of literal grass don't actually exist?
Even the very verse you referenced claimed that the inhabitants of the earth "are as grasshoppers". Do you believe that Isaiah was teaching that all of the inhabitants of the Earth are literally lamb-grasshopper hybrids made of literal grass whose nations literally do not exist? Or perhaps...possibly...there is a little more to it than you're willing to admit?
None of that changes the fact that the bible describes Earth as a flat immoveable disc, and describes the universe as a geo-centric dome-shaped tent attached at the circle of the horizon (Matt 4:8 Isaiah 40:22 Eccl 1:5). Nor does it change the fact that the bible does not describe Earth as a rotating globe orbiting the sun. Nor does the bible say that the universe is not geo-centric and is billions of years old.
 

Mitty

Active Member
The Qur'an and the Bible are very different books. It is probably best not to assume that they say the same thing about something, but find out instead, regarding each case, if you want to know.

In Islam a man can have 4 wives so a man with two wives is not adulterous if the marriage contracts are valid.
Does the Koran say that it was OK for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and to commit adultery with Hagar. And what was the marriage contract which Abraham signed with his sister, and did they have a marriage celebrant and witnesses and a large wedding cake, or did they just agree to shack up together?
 

Mitty

Active Member
To me - a homosexual is a person who engages in sexual acts with members of the same sex.

My children are very little and have yet to express any sexual desire for anyone of any sex.

When I feel that the moment is right I will teach them about sex and about God's plans for us.
And will you be tolerant of them if they express same-sex desire and not a sexual desire for the opposite sex?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Actually it is up to the people. If a group of people do not accept a definition for a term then there is no agreement and there's little you can do about it. For people with faith, science comes after faith. I.e. If there is a contradiction, one accepts what God commands and disregards what scientists say.
You’re trying to define people out of their humanity. That’s not How It Works.

with regard to your second point, let’s be specific: people with unreasonable faith may do that — and have done that, to the detriment of groups of people, like blacks, women, Jews, homosexuals, Native Americans, etc.
 
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