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Featured God and Belief

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Nov 26, 2020.

  1. Fool

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    Which is important, God or belief?

    Why?
     
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    If you're God, belief isn't just important, it's essential.
    Because otherwise you don't exist.
     
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    I think belief is irrelevant, other than to the believer. (And nosey busybodies, it seems.)
     
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  4. Fool

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    that is Illogical. Why would believing self exist take precedence over knowing self exists. Belief is not knowing.
     
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    Belief would look out for you, but a lot of people are to stuborn to accept its gift just to say "gaha I told you so."
     
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    What is more important, faith in God, or faith in love? They're the same but different.
     
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    "The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
    "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
    "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
    "Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.”"

    ― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
     
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    God. Belief is nothing. The devils also believe in God and are afraid. The thing that makes belief valuable is because God answers prayer.
     
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    God, because belief does not make God exist. God would still exist even if nobody believed He existed.
     
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    Because gods exist only as concepts / things imagined in individual brains. They are created and maintained by their followers, not vice versa.

    Look at Chemosh or Moloch, for example. Where are they now? Only in encyclopedias. What could bring them back? Followers.
     
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    Can you prove that? If not, it is just a belief.
     
  12. Trailblazer

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    He does? o_O
    Well, maybe sometimes but not always.
     
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    Yes, I can demonstrate the correctness of my claim to the complete satisfaction of any impartial jury.

    Or so I believe.
     
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    Do you mean a jury comprised of atheists?
     
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    I wouldn't call atheists (who decided to be atheists) or theists impartial. Impartial would be igtheists, people who never before heard of the god concept. (Technical they would also be atheists in the colloquial definition but then there could never be an impartial judge.)
     
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    Can you prove that? If not, it is just a belief.
     
  17. Trailblazer

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    No, they would not be impartial. My point was that he could only convince a jury of atheists that God does not exist.
     
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    So you think there are no impartial judges? You are either for me or against me, no neutral ground?
     
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    Depends upon how you prep the bias of the jury.
     
  20. Trailblazer

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    I never said God exists.
    I said: "God would still exist even if nobody believed He existed."
    That is because belief is not what would make God exist. God would either exist or not exist.

    I know "God exists" is just a belief because nobody can prove that God exists.
     
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