[SIZE=+0]The reason you would believe that your not a slave to Satan is because you are still in your sins. You are of your father the Devil and do those things that please him. You love darkness rather than light because your deeds are evil. You are blinded by his lies that he has spread since the beginning of creation, When God had said that in the day that you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will DIE. Satan beguiled you with his lie and told you that God is the liar and you won't die. God is love so don't fear him he'll forgive you. You see Iam a better god than him, I'll let you make up your own way to worship, any way you chose. God is to strict he wants you only to serve and obey him, that surely doesn't give you any freedom of expression now does it. Go ahead eat of that tree you see you won't die, he's trying to scare you. Don't fear God![/SIZE]
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Gods Purpose For Humans and Earth
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angellous_evangellous
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bibleonly said:
Point that thing somewhere else.
Well let's see if that so.
Genesis chapter 3. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
So who is this serpent? Let the bible tell us who this serpent is !
Revelation chapter 12:8 And the great dragon was cast out, that old SERPENT, called the DEVIL, AND SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world.
Thank God we don't have to trust what man thinks. God's Word will keep us down the right path so that we also won't be deceived and then come up with so many different conclusions that are base on the lie of the serpent.
Genesis chapter 3. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
So who is this serpent? Let the bible tell us who this serpent is !
Revelation chapter 12:8 And the great dragon was cast out, that old SERPENT, called the DEVIL, AND SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world.
Thank God we don't have to trust what man thinks. God's Word will keep us down the right path so that we also won't be deceived and then come up with so many different conclusions that are base on the lie of the serpent.
Sojouner said "Because Christ came, we are no longer slaves to sin. No one seeks God?"
That right because we are slaves to Master of sin Satan no one seeks God!
Let's look at the bible again for our understanding so that we can let God be true and every man a liar.
Romans chapter 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Again let's go to the bible to see if Christ came to paid for the sins of every single person that has, been born and and will be born throughout time.
Matthew chapter 1:21 And she (Mary) shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins.
That right because we are slaves to Master of sin Satan no one seeks God!
Let's look at the bible again for our understanding so that we can let God be true and every man a liar.
Romans chapter 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Again let's go to the bible to see if Christ came to paid for the sins of every single person that has, been born and and will be born throughout time.
Matthew chapter 1:21 And she (Mary) shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
bibleonly said:
Now you're proof-texting.:redcard:
The Romans passage is Paul's paraphrase of Psalm 14, which was pre-Xy. Then, Paul goes on to say how righteousness now comes through faith, in the Xian understanding. Context.
ref. Jn. 1:29b: "Here is the Lamb of God (speaking of Jesus) who takes away the sin of the world." Which one of us is correct? Proof-texting doesn't work.
Sojourner say's ref. Jn. 1:29b: "Here is the Lamb of God (speaking of Jesus) who takes away the sin of the world." Which one of us is correct? Proof-texting doesn't work.
Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin (singular) of the world. Notice that it doesn't speak of people. God isn't indicating here that all the people of all time throughout all of the world will be saved,
Revelation chapter 13:1 I stood upon the sand of the sea and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
verse 6 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast,
verse 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome
them.
verse 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him , whose NAMES ARE NOT
WRITTEN in the BOOK of LIFE of the LAMB slain from the FOUNDATION OF
THE WORLD. If any man have an ear let him hear.
Christ is the LAMB OF GOD that takes away the sin of the world . His name shall be called JESUS for he shall save HIS People. Those that were written before the world was created.
Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin (singular) of the world. Notice that it doesn't speak of people. God isn't indicating here that all the people of all time throughout all of the world will be saved,
Revelation chapter 13:1 I stood upon the sand of the sea and saw a beast rise up out of the sea,
verse 6 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast,
verse 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome
them.
verse 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him , whose NAMES ARE NOT
WRITTEN in the BOOK of LIFE of the LAMB slain from the FOUNDATION OF
THE WORLD. If any man have an ear let him hear.
Christ is the LAMB OF GOD that takes away the sin of the world . His name shall be called JESUS for he shall save HIS People. Those that were written before the world was created.
Why don't you stop reading your Bible and just open your eyes to the world? No one seeks God? :sarcastic Give me a break. Then what are all these people doing here on this forum? Many of them believe in God, and I dare say that means many of them seek God. What about all the people in mosques, and synagogues, and your own churches? Are they not seeking God?bibleonly said:
Anyway, I suppose I ought to feel bad for you. It must be a scary thing to look at the people around you and think they are all evil and slaves to Satan. :foryou:
Super Universe
Defender of God
bibleonly said:
Everything you post is a reflection on you, not your faith, not your preacher, and not your parents. So far all I've seen is judgemental finger pointing and the promotion of fear. These are immature human traits and have nothing to do with God.
Put the bible down and think for yourself for once for only you are responsible for what you believe regardless of what you've been taught.
Do you really think God, who created the universe so humans could exist and have free will, would promote fear, be jealous, could possibly become angry and punish His children? Do you actually believe that God would kill or send His agents to kill humans?
If you believe this then that is your choice and only you are responsible.
God creates, He does not destroy. He does not have these petty human faults. It is not possible.
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[SIZE=+0]As it say's in 1Corinthians chapter 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world , but the spirit which is of God: that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man;s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches COMPARING SPIRITUAL THINGS WITH SPIRITUAL. But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0]God's is a Spirit and His Word is spiritual, so we are to COMPARE His Word with His Word so that we can rightly divide the Word of Truth.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0]We are to let God's Word define His own terms, we are to let God's Word become it's own dictionary, we are to let God's Word become it's own interperter.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+0]As it say's in 1Corinthians chapter 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world , but the spirit which is of God: that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man;s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches COMPARING SPIRITUAL THINGS WITH SPIRITUAL. But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.[/SIZE]
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Simon Gnosis
Active Member
That life is a direct consequence of the universe.
That Life forms become more and more complex in time via the processes of natural selection and ecological dynamics.
From the first single celled amoeba like protozoa to highly advanced mammals like us.
Thus complex life forms (multi cellular organisms) are coded within the very laws of nature.
If this universe is the only one that as far as we know exists, then the fact that life forms exist (given the delicate precision of every life supporting physical constant) is extremely peculiar.
With that in mind I would be inclined to believe then given that events before the big bang are not explained scientifically, a God creator hypothesis seems to be a strong one.
IE the whole point of the universe was for something for thinking life forms to stand on.
Yes necessity for life.
The very universe evolves too.
Why?
Maybe God wanted children?
That Life forms become more and more complex in time via the processes of natural selection and ecological dynamics.
From the first single celled amoeba like protozoa to highly advanced mammals like us.
Thus complex life forms (multi cellular organisms) are coded within the very laws of nature.
If this universe is the only one that as far as we know exists, then the fact that life forms exist (given the delicate precision of every life supporting physical constant) is extremely peculiar.
With that in mind I would be inclined to believe then given that events before the big bang are not explained scientifically, a God creator hypothesis seems to be a strong one.
IE the whole point of the universe was for something for thinking life forms to stand on.
Yes necessity for life.
The very universe evolves too.
Why?
Maybe God wanted children?
uumckk16 said : Why don't you stop reading your Bible and just open your eyes to the world?
Sojourner said : Put the bible down and think for yourself for once for only you are responsible for what you believe regardless of what you've been taught.
Instead of telling someone to stop reading the Word of God you should be encouraging them to feed from it.as Christ say's in Mathew chapter 3 when he was tempted of the devil. and was hungry. The tempter came to him and said If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But Christ answered and said,
Did he put the bible down and took thought what everyone else would do if they were hungry. I think not!
verse 4 It is Written (in the bible) Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every
WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
You see that's what got Adam in Trouble. that's how Adam as the head plunge the whole human race into captivity to Satan. He put the bible down ( God's Word) not to Eat of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. He also was hungry and ate the fruit of deceit. Through is disobedience Adam Became ruler of his own faint, Captain of his own Ship. He now could choose the god of his own liking. A religion of is own choosing, So Yes Adam's children do seek after god, Lucifer which is known by many names. But they don't seek after God, according to his way.
Look at John chapter 9 Jesus had just open the eyes of the blind man. The Word (bible) Jesus who is the Word open the blind man eyes. But the Religious leaders of that day didn't want to hear God's Word (Christ) either. so Jesus say's in :
verse 39 For judgment I am come into the world. that they which see not might see,
and that they which see might be made blind.
Sojourner said : Put the bible down and think for yourself for once for only you are responsible for what you believe regardless of what you've been taught.
Instead of telling someone to stop reading the Word of God you should be encouraging them to feed from it.as Christ say's in Mathew chapter 3 when he was tempted of the devil. and was hungry. The tempter came to him and said If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But Christ answered and said,
Did he put the bible down and took thought what everyone else would do if they were hungry. I think not!
verse 4 It is Written (in the bible) Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every
WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
You see that's what got Adam in Trouble. that's how Adam as the head plunge the whole human race into captivity to Satan. He put the bible down ( God's Word) not to Eat of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. He also was hungry and ate the fruit of deceit. Through is disobedience Adam Became ruler of his own faint, Captain of his own Ship. He now could choose the god of his own liking. A religion of is own choosing, So Yes Adam's children do seek after god, Lucifer which is known by many names. But they don't seek after God, according to his way.
Look at John chapter 9 Jesus had just open the eyes of the blind man. The Word (bible) Jesus who is the Word open the blind man eyes. But the Religious leaders of that day didn't want to hear God's Word (Christ) either. so Jesus say's in :
verse 39 For judgment I am come into the world. that they which see not might see,
and that they which see might be made blind.
Goodness. We were just telling you to look at the real world instead of learning everything about the real world from a book, even if you believe it is the Word of God. Why don't you answer the points we made?bibleonly said:
Which is...? How would God have us seek for God, other than by seeking? And who are you to say that nobody seeks? I'm just making an assumption here, but I'm pretty sure you can't read minds. :run:bibleonly said:
Super Universe
Defender of God
bibleonly said:
You think Jesus walked around with the Old Testament in His hands and read from it?
Jesus debated the religious leaders of the time, He argued with them about the ideas contained in their book. Jesus attempted to correct their incorrect ideas and "an eye for an eye" turned into forgiveness.
The truth did not change only the human understanding of it did. It finally evolved.
The bible is a human creation that does have divine revelation but it also contains some tragic human misunderstandings.
You do not seem to be able to tell the difference.
robtex
Veteran Member
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Please be mindful and respectful of one anothers thougts on this subject. I would ask you guys to work on word choice when conveying your ideas on this topic and if you feel at any time a little flustered and/or steamed in this thread adjourn to the other threads and come back to this one when you are less flustered. Please have fun debating and realize we are all on here learning together. Thank you.
Super Universe said: You think Jesus walked around with the Old Testament in His hands and read from it?
Jesus was the Word that walked around the country-side. Yes he did read from it.
Look at the example in Luke chapter 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up to READ. And there was delivered unto him the BOOK of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the BOOK, He found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted; to preach deliverance to the CAPTIVES, and recovering of sight to the BLIND, to set at liberty them that are bruised. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the BOOK, and He gave it again to the minister and sat down, And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, this day is this SCIRPTURE fulfilled in your ears.
Jesus was the Word that walked around the country-side. Yes he did read from it.
Look at the example in Luke chapter 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up to READ. And there was delivered unto him the BOOK of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the BOOK, He found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted; to preach deliverance to the CAPTIVES, and recovering of sight to the BLIND, to set at liberty them that are bruised. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the BOOK, and He gave it again to the minister and sat down, And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, this day is this SCIRPTURE fulfilled in your ears.