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God’s Purpose For Humans and Earth

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by cardero, Jun 23, 2006.

  1. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

    Jan 18, 2006
    The Genesis understanding predates the coming of Christ, the completion of humanity, and the reconciliation of humanity to God. Because of Christ, we are a new creation...we no longer live according to sin.
  2. angellous_evangellous

    I wonder what book or publication that you are copying from...
  3. bibleonly

    bibleonly Member

    Jun 24, 2006
    Like any other boy of the time Jesus was taught the jewish faith that His family and community followed. He did not only come upon the bible once in His life, it was something very well known to Him. Even as a child He debated the religious leaders of the time.

    Jesus wasn’t like any other boy: Matthew 1:20 for that which is conceived in her (Mary) is of the HOLY SPIRIT.
    Jesus was God according to John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD.

    SUPER UNIVERSE said: When Jesus pulled the evil spirit from the man, did He use the bible?
    Mark 1:27 And they went to Capernaum; and immediately on the Sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught. And they were astonished at his DOCTRINE (bible teachings): for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes. And there was in their synagogue a man with an evil spirit; and he cried out, saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with you, you are Jesus of Nazareth? Are you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold your peace, and come out of him. And when the evil spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him. And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, what thing is this? What new DOCTRINE (bible teaching) is this? For with authority he commanded the devils, and they do obey him.This new doctrine that cast out the evil spirit became the bible itself.

    SUPER UNIVERSE said: When Jesus healed the people, did He use the bible?
    Matthew 8:16 When the night was come, they brought to Jesus many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his WORD ( which later becomes the bible itself), and healed all that were sick: Notice that the bible is being quoted from the old testament
    Verse 17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our SICKNESSES.
    to offer up proof that the bible is our sole authority in which we can rest assure that indeed the Messiah has visited us. It was the bible that told us that this very Jesus of whom you see do all these miracles is the Christ that should come into the World. The bible itself would show us that Emmanuel truly was with us, in the face of Jesus Christ.

    SUPER UNIVERSE said: When He told parables to the people did He read them from the bible?

    Mark 4:2 And Jesus taught them many things by PARABLES, and said to them in his DOCTRINE(bible teachings), Listen, Behold, there went out a sower to sow: Jesus then commences to tell the parable that later becomes the bible itself.

    SUPER UNIVERSE said: When He fed the five thousand, did He do it from the bible?

    Ezekiel 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
    What greater proof could one need of the fulfillment of this scripture. That this very Jesus was the BREAD OF LIVE Himself, evidence by the fact of this miracle of the feeding of the 5,000. That according to the bible itself that one would rise up to feed is People and shepherd over them. This Christ came with many infallible proofs that he was the Messiah of the Old Testament bible. Yes, Jesus use the bible very convincingly, proving without a doubt that from the bible itself he fulfilled all righteousness.

    John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My DOCTRINE (bible teachings) is not mine, but his that sent me.
    The bible scriptures of Jesus’ time was the Old Testament. That was the bible of the day. It was God’s Word to his People that a Messiah was to come to save them from their sins. Only the bible could show them if this Jesus was who he said he was. Only the bible could show them if this Jesus was an imposter. Only if all that was written in the bible concerning the Messiah was fulfilled could they then know that truly this man was the Son of God.
    Matthew 5:18 For truly I say to you. Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.

    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

    When Jesus was tempted of the devil, Christ in Matthew 4quoted three verses of the Old Testament.
    When Jesus was told to make bread out of stones: Jesus quoted from the bible. Deuteronomy 8:3 Man does not live by bread alone.
    When Jesus was told to jump off the Temple roof: Jesus quoted from the bible. . Deuteromony 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD
    When Jesus was told to worship the devil: Jesus quoted from the bible. Deuteronomy 10:20 Ye shall worship the LORD your God; him shall you serve.

    When Jesus went to the synagogue it was his custom to read. Luke 4:16 As his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. And there was delivered to him the BOOK of the prophet Isaiah, and when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written.
  4. uumckk16

    uumckk16 Active Member

    Apr 7, 2006
    My gosh, your words get bigger and brighter with each post... :cover:
  5. bibleonly

    bibleonly Member

    Jun 24, 2006
    SUPER UNIVERSE said: So where did this concept of forgiveness come from if not from the bible and why did Jesus preach it instead of the biblical concept of an eye for an eye?

    God was teaching through the laws that were given, that God’s laws demanded justice. Just and perfect payment for the breaking of the law had to be imposed. Righteousness will prevail. Sin, which is transgression of the law needed to be reconciled. Justice would be meted out. No justice, No Peace. Christ came as the one that would quiet the law of God’s justice, the demand of the law, the payment for sin, Death, the Death of the cross for his people. Up until Christ came the law was never satisfied. It still required Death for His people. We were guilty of death LIFE FOR LIFE. Christ sacrificed His LIFE for His Peoples Lives. Which satisfied the demand of the law, which is why until Christ, most of what was being revealed through the Word was the Law of God, indicating that sin still had to be dealt with. Eye for an eye.Galatians 3 What purpose then does the law serve. It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

    SUPER UNIVERSE said: The revelation did not change. The bible was wrong. The human writer's misunderstood. There are also places where ancient religious leaders have put in their own wishes/desires and not Gods.

    The only thing wrong is the interpretation of these passages.

    Read Exodus 30:12
    When you take a census of the Israelites to count them, each one must pay the LORD a ransom for his life at the time he is counted. What does God need money for?

    For the payment of sin. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death.

    God used earthly examples throughout the bible to teach his people. In the example of
    Exodus 30.12in verse 16it say’s to make an atonement for your soul. What they should of learned from this, was that they were sinners before God, which deserves DEATH and sin needed to be paid for. And the only money that God would accept was the ransom money of His Son Jesus, who would pay (ransom money) for the sins of His people. Verse 15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less.
    Rich or poor, both needed the same amount, Christ providing the ransom money for his people, Christ was the redemption-price for the sins of his people, His price (work for money) was used to pay for the sins of His people. Mark 10:45 The Son of man came not to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a RANSOM for many.
  6. bibleonly

    bibleonly Member

    Jun 24, 2006

    How can you learn about God without using the bible?
    Find a hilltop in a place where there is little or no light difusion and look up at the night sky. What do you see? God created the universe. Why do you ignore it?
    There is so much that we do not understand. Everything is not contained in one book because it's simply not possible yet some think that the bible is all any one person will ever need.

    If your child gets sick do you look in the bible?
    If your vehicle does not work, is the answer in Matthew?
    When the bill collector comes do you shout "Moneylender get away from me!"

    No, because the bible is first grade stuff and we've moved on since then.

    If your child get sick.1Timothy 5:23 Don’t drink only water. You ought to drink a little wine (can be used as medicine) for the sake of your stomach because you are SICK so often.

    If your vehicle does not work.Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth where moth and rust doth corrupt (don’t trust in that rusty bucket of bolts) and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven,

    When the bill collector comes .Mark 12:14-17 Is it lawful to give tax to Caesar, or not?
    Verse 17 Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to god the things that are God’s

    SUPER UNIVERSE, said: The bible has some good history and it has some truth but so much of it has been distorted over the years. People should trust themselves more than they trust the bible. You know inside that you should do no harm, you do not need the bible, myself, or a preacher to tell you that.

    People should trust in themselves? Proverbs 28:26 He that trusts in his own heart is a fool.

    You know inside that you should do no harm?Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the mind,

    SUPER UNIVERSE, said:Do you think God, the creator of a trillion worlds and a billion suns, the Creator of all life in the universe, First Source, the source of gravity, the Creator of the eleven dimensions, the Master of angels, the Creator of space/time, the source of all energy and matter, the Grand Designer, the Supreme Being, can be contained in one book written by ignorant humans thousands of years ago?

    John 21:25 And there are also many things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.

    John 20:30-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: BUT THESE ARE WRITTEN, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    SUPER UNIVERSE, said: Do you think even now that we are the only thing in the universe? Us? Humans who allow other humans to starve while we upgrade to a new SUV?

    In the last one thousand years what have we learned from the bible? Sure each person's biblical experience grows and matures as they age but what new idea, what new revelation has come from the bible to our species?

    I tell you now that revelation is ongoing through human history. It has never stopped. It's happened recently with the Urantia Book and it is happening now with the Wingmakers.

    How can you learn about God without using the bible? Don't close your eyes, open them.Instead of placing them down in an old book raise them to see what is all around you.
    God is not in a human book or human built church, He is in everything around you. See Him in a garden, in an orchard, and in the birds that sing. Watch children play on a playground for they are more Godlike than anything in Genesis. The easiest way for me to explain why I believe what I believe is that every experience I've had leads me to believe this is the closest to the truth. I can easily admit that I do not have all the answers but I have no doubt about God. He exists and He created the universe.

    Hebrews 10:7 Then said Christ, Behold I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do your will, O God.

    The bible is the infallible word of God.

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God.

    2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

    Here are a few examples of how the Word of God was penned.
    Isaiah 30:8 Now go, WRITE it before them in a tablet, and note it in a BOOK, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the LAW (Word) of the LORD:

    Take a look at Jeremiah 1:9 Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth, And the LORD said to me, Behold, I have PUT MY WORDS in your mouth.

    Jeremiah 30:2 This is what the LORD, the God Israel, says: Write thee all the words that I have spoken to you in a BOOK.

    Jeremiah 36:2 Take a scroll and WRITE on it all the words I have spoken to you concerning Israel, Judah and all the nations from the time I began speaking to you in the reign of Josiah till now. Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about every disaster I plan to inflict on them, each of them will turn from his wicked way; then I will forgive their wickedness and their sin.