EverChanging
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Does Gnostic Luciferianism tend to be pro-matter/pro-cosmic or anti-matter/anti-cosmic?
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Gnostic Luciferianism
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Liu
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Nearly all Gnostic Luciferianism/Satanism (most don't seem to differentiate between that) I've encountered so far was anti-cosmic.
Satanism in itself is normally rather pro-cosmic, and so if a Satanist decides to name themselves a Gnostic (an anti-cosmic belief in its myths), then it's most often done also to differentiate oneself from pro-comic Satanists which one doesn't consider oneself to belong to.
However, that doesn't mean that Gnostic LHPers would also be against carnality or materialism. In a way yes, because the spiritual is seen as higher as any worldly goals, but they are not like Gnostic Christians in that they would consider matter as sinful or something like that in and of itself. So in that way they are not very far from other spiritual LHPers.
Satanism in itself is normally rather pro-cosmic, and so if a Satanist decides to name themselves a Gnostic (an anti-cosmic belief in its myths), then it's most often done also to differentiate oneself from pro-comic Satanists which one doesn't consider oneself to belong to.
However, that doesn't mean that Gnostic LHPers would also be against carnality or materialism. In a way yes, because the spiritual is seen as higher as any worldly goals, but they are not like Gnostic Christians in that they would consider matter as sinful or something like that in and of itself. So in that way they are not very far from other spiritual LHPers.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
What does pro-matter/pro-cosmic or anti-matter/anti-cosmic mean ?
EverChanging
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Anti-cosmic gnostics tend to look at this physical world as flawed, something to be escaped, even an aberration. Pro-cosmic paths tend to be world-affirming and do not seek to escape the physical world.
Liu
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Anti-cosmic gnosticism yes (although even the writings of e.g. the MLO in parts read pretty anti-dogmatic and more in line of using the belief system as a tool and not as the end goal), but there also are more liberal interpretations of the myths, e.g. seeing it from a more psychological point of view with the demiurge and sophia representing different parts of one's own psyche or aspects of one's life.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
What if the Lucifer wants people to use the cosmos for nefarious purposes? Am I cosmic or anti-cosmic there?
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Why are you asking me?
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Should I not?
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Probably not since I know very little about this Cosmic / Anti-Cosmic stuff.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Liu
Well-Known Member
The ToTBL is basically the same as the MLO I mentioned above (as is also mentioned in your second link, which btw includes only one of several myths used by them and also otherwise seems not completely reliable).
And they are anti-cosmic.
Depends on the details.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Liu
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Their foundational work is Liber Azerate. It's in Swedish, but there are inofficial (and mostly incomplete) English translations floating around the web.
Here's also a back-up version of their old website: http://anti-cosmos.orgfree.com/download/Temple-of-The-Black-Light.pdf
And then there are a few other books, published by http://www.ixaxaar.com
They are rather expensive, but for some of them PDFs can be found online, even uploaded by the authors themselves.
What I've read so far are Liber Falxifer 1 and 2, Gullveigarbók, and, I think, parts of Panparadox and The Catechism of Lucifer.
As you will see, while they have some fixed beliefs, they use a wide range of myths as metaphors for these beliefs. How literal they take these myths probably depends on the person in question.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Liu
Well-Known Member
Is this a pro-cosmic group of gnostic Luciferians?
Any further info on them? Their websites seem to be rarely updated
Neo-Luciferian Church
and/or defunct
Neo-Luciferian Church | Ipsa Scientia Potestas Est
VioletVortex
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Gnostic Left Hand Path religions are about one of two things. One could be a philosophy of engaging excessively in material pleasures as to "burn out" one's link to the material world, and the other larger group is directly anticosmic.
Liu
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The few pro-cosmic gnostic ones I encountered were neither.
How does that play out in terms of their practice?
Anti matter and matter are the domain of physics
