TagliatelliMonster
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What are you talking about?
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Germany and Italy repudiate war
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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About Ukrainian refugees that fled to my country, telling they escaped a dictatorship.
Where men were forced to go to war.
In fairness, though, the Russians could have also used diplomacy and dialogue. Whatever had been happening in Ukraine had been going on for years, so I can't see that there was compelling sense of urgency that would have required Putin to invade at that moment. Even then, if it was solely a matter of the Donbas region, they didn't have to invade the entire country - especially when they weren't prepared for an all-out assault.
There likely won't be any winners in this conflict. At this point, Russia is a wounded animal - and even if Putin is thrown out of power, there's no telling who might replace him and what form of government they will take. They may pull out of Ukraine eventually, but what then?
Ukraine will still be devastated and will need help to rebuild. Whatever deep-seated enmity existed between Russia and Ukraine before this conflict will now be increased and go on for generations. They may very well join NATO and declare that a victory, although it's hard to predict where that could lead.
I don't know what the fate of the ethnic Russians would be, those who might still find themselves in Ukrainian territory. I don't know if they would end up being forcibly repatriated back to Russia, or what might happen to them. If they were legal citizens of that republic at the time of the breakup of the Soviet Union, then it stands to reason that their rights as citizens should be upheld. But in the post-Soviet era non-Russian republics, the Russians who remained seemed to be resented.
It could be due to resentment over the Soviet period, or it could back even further to the days of the Russian Empire. Long history there, as you well know.
In my humble opinion, these Russians should all leave Donbas and relocate either to Russia or to Western Europe. Go figure, Europe is filled with white Nationalists, they would love to welcome Donbas Russians as war refugees with open arms.
Honestly I feel disgust and repulsion towards the regime of Kiev.
They have always sought war...and they provoked it since 2014 by discriminating against Russian speaking people in Donbas and in Crimea.
And now they are playing victims.
They make me vomit, honestly. They are vomitous.
TagliatelliMonster
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TagliatelliMonster
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What makes me vomit are western citizens who apparently are taken in by Russian propaganda.
Russian troll farms claim another victim.........
Let's say the truth. European countries couldn't care less about the Ukrainian war.
We have already enough problems in the EU...to care about wars waged by others.
We pretend to be interested in it, just to appease the American ally.
Do you really think Germany gives a damn about who wins in Ukraine?
Germany just wants energy supplies so its economy can be run.
TagliatelliMonster
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You wouldn't recognize truth if it came up and hit you upside the head.
Clearly that is not true.
The war waged by Russia causes problems for Europe. And the world.
It raises food and energy prices through the roof. And careless handling of the biggest nuclear plant in the world also poses an immense risk for Europe as well.
And that's just the direct economic and health risks for us.
That's not even mentioning the humane cost of warcrime after warcrime.
It rather seems that YOU don't care about that war. So speak for yourself.
No.
Yes.
And the war of Russian aggression has opened their eyes that it was a very bad idea to be dependent on Russia for that.
Time for you to get your head out of the ground.
TagliatelliMonster
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Still waiting on verifiable specifics here.
You're not going to provide any, are you?
You provided no evidence of this, but either way, I find the fact that you're citing it as if it were a good thing to be downright disturbing considering the history of white nationalism in Europe and what it has caused.
When the Soviet Union broke up, they left a lot of loose ends which they should have dealt with right away.
What does "dealt with" mean?
Let's say the truth, Ukraine is a too big country, because, its borders have changed across history and aren't well defined, at all.
It's not like Italy or Spain, which are peninsula enclosed by mountainous walls. Ukraine is jut flatland, rivers and steppe. In the Northern part they speak Ukraine. In the Southern-Eastern part, they speak Russian.
They can't coexist together...evidently.
Russia is even bigger.
It should break up into smaller countries.
Then they can war with each other, leaving
Europe, the Balkans, & others alone.
It means putting more care and thought into drawing up national borders, among other things.
Revolutions typically lack thorough planning.
I'd have preferred that there be less Russia,
& more of other countries, de-centralizing
the whole mess more.
Well, they did coexist for many centuries, and they share a common ancestry. The Mongol invasions and the incursions from central European powers caused a separation and the eventual bifurcation into separate nationalities. The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was established as a regional administrative entity, and the boundaries were based on what was convenient. When the Soviet Union broke up, they divided along the existing Republic boundaries which were established by the Soviet government decades earlier. It was all perfectly legal under the Soviet constitution, as every republic (including the RSFSR) had the right to secede from the Soviet Union.
But based on how the boundaries were formed, they should have anticipated there would be problems and should have addressed it from the outset. They seemingly figured that they could still have a peacefully coexisting economic and defense bloc, but instead of the USSR, it was supposed to be the Commonwealth of Independent States, which never really got off the ground. Perhaps that's what they thought at the time, but obviously, it didn't turn out that way.
In my time visiting the USSR and in many of my interactions, I encountered Russians and Ukrainians who were not communists and were vehemently against their shared government of the USSR. But there were also Russians and Ukrainians who were very much pro-Soviet and members of the Communist Party. So, whatever divisions and enmities which existed, I took as political, not due to nationality or culture. Now, the enmity appears to have shifted more towards nationalism and nationality more so than politics.
Father Heathen
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Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Lithuania, and Sweden all have military conscription. Are they dictatorships as well?
Father Heathen
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Pizza goes in. Lies come out.
Anyone who possess a sense of morality, empathy, and humanity cares about and opposes tyranny, terrorism, theft, and war crimes. Innocent people have suffered and died because of Putin, yet you so desperately want to paint anyone else as the bad guy. Europeans are good people, not the trash you've failed to paint them as, and as you've been told before; you don't speak for Europe, so quit your bull****. Also, most people are too intelligent to fall for your pathetic propaganda, and it's insulting that you would think anyone actually would.
You claim to be a Christian, so for the sake of your souls salvation you better drop to your knees and repent for your disgusting ideology and falsehoods.