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Genesis 5

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Mister Emu, Jul 30, 2005.

  1. Mister Emu

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    1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. 6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos: 7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: 8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died. 9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan: 10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: 11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died. 12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel: 13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters: 14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died. 15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared: 16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters: 17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died. 18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch: 19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died. 21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. 25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech. 26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters: 27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. 28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: 29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed. 30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: 31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died. 32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

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    Not much to say, it is a genealogical list from Adam to the sons of Noah. All I can say is that as one who believes the Bible to account a true creation story, this adds upon the belief...

    If there is anything anyone wants to discuss...
     
  2. michel

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    There is something that confuses me greatly: one example :-

    "And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years"
    There are so many of these; how do you interpret them?:)
     
  3. Mister Emu

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    Hmm, how do you mean. I take it that Seth lived 807 years after fathering Enos.
     
  4. Pah

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    I have heard an interpretation that the generation of Seth or Enoch or whoever meant the descendants of the individual - "generations" if you will. I guess that would mean that the importance of the generation "lessened" and another generational era came on.

    For what it's worth. It's an apologetic that I accept.
     
  5. michel

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    Well, how come a mortal lived for so long ? - That's my problem; am I taking it too literally. Sorry if I am being thick.....:eek:
     
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    If you adopt the interpretation I suggested, then the family leader could have lived a normal life span but his generation was counted until perhaps a daughter married out of the family. The years could refer to the length of time sons carried on the name
     
  7. khan1955

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    I think that as we moved farther from the original line we became more of liability living so long so a from Adam to us Man has forgotton much we once had, knowlege and health being the two we have lost the fastest. At one time being removed from the "garden" they were as perfect in health and knowledge as we could ever get. We are just touching the bottom of it now in science and mediciene.
     
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    Ah good; I like that - thanks Pah - sorry I didn't get it the first time around; I thought that might be what you meant but I wasn't 100% . That mekes sense.:)
     
  9. Jayhawker Soule

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    Primitive folklore exaggerates the lifespan of its central figures. In the case of the Summerian Kings List, the exaggeration is egregious. In the case of Genesis, where the figures are more legendary than mythological, the exaggeration is somewhat less so. To believe in these lifespans is pure superstition. To coerce these exaggerations into a more palatable explanation is simply contrived.
     
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    Yeah, that's what I tend to beleive, but I haven't really heard very many other explanations. Maybe I'll end up hearing something that seems truer.

    By the way, Pah - I like your new avatar. I like the colour blue a lot:cool:
     
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    God’s original purpose was for man to live forever. The first man Adam had the opportunity to enjoy an endless life span, subject to obedience to God. (Genesis 2:15-17) However, because of disobedience, Adam forfeited that opportunity, and from him all the human race inherited sin and death.—Romans 5:12.




    Many of the pre-Flood patriarchs, being closer to Adam’s original perfection, possessed life spans approaching a thousand years. (Genesis 5:5-31) After the Flood, the human life span dropped suddenly, and by his time Moses could write: "In themselves the days of our years are seventy years; and if because of special mightiness they are eighty years, yet their insistence is on trouble and hurtful things."—Psalm 90:10.

     
  12. Jayhawker Soule

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    Beautiful: an omnipotent and omniscient God has his "original purpose" thwarted by the disobedience of his intelligent design; life spans "approaching a thousand years" dropped suddenly after the Flood; and Moses authored Psalms. Thanks for the cogent summary. :biglaugh:
     
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    So you wouldn't go along with "the descendents of..." ?:)
     
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    Again: to coerce these exaggerations into a more palatable explanation is simply contrived.
     
  15. michel

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    O.K, I'll take your point at face value :"to coerce these exaggerations into a more palatable explanation is simply contrived."

    Does it matter that there was exageration ? Are you saying that if there is exageration in one place in the Bible, the validity of the rest of it is questionable ?:)
     
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    Not to me. I expect myth and folklore to have the qualities of myth and folklore. You would do far better to ask the Evangelicals, the literalists who generate humorous biblical timelines based, in large part, on the life spans,

    Michel, I usually say what I intend to say.
     
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    O.K Thanks.:)
     
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    your welcome.
     
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    sorry, i thought that was funny :biglaugh:
     
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    shall i get my coat:biglaugh: before i get told off:)
     
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