Luminous
non-existential luminary
It is a two-faced work, and It is false teaching... anything else?
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From 'born again' to agnostic
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Luminous
non-existential luminary
God's ultimate and only truth. God will help you too, i'll pray for your soul.
6Michael6Bennett6
At The Left Hand Ov God
...lol
Danmac
Well-Known Member
Pray for my welfare, my soul is in good hands.
kingdombuilder
Member
This seems to really get to the heart of your rejection and unbelief. All other reasons are secondary to this fundamental reason. Ultimately, despite other objections I am sure you could post, your fundamental reason for unbelief in God is a heart/moral one.
I have just one question (currently) for you. According to Christianity, what kind of people do not end up in heaven?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
There is no single thing as "Christianity." The answer will differ with the Christian you ask, everything from "those whom God has chosen" to "everyone."
Luminous
non-existential luminary
that's what they all tell me... dont need any welfare when you have a fortune
.I don't understand the first part of your post? Christianity is a very broad church. The fundies think only the 'saved' go to heaven, the more liberal think that others will be let in too.
Wotan
Active Member
kingdombuilder
Member
You had written the following:
"...I have no desire to be in heaven with the god of the people who believe only the 'saved' go to heaven..."
The fact that you present this as an objection reveals a moral conviction on your part. You appear to believe that for only "the saved" to go to heaven is morally wrong (am I incorrect in this assessment?).Thus my response that I believe this is really your fundamental reason for unbelief or rejection of the God of the Bible.
- I apologize for lack of clarity on my part. Perhaps I should have said Bible instead of Christianity, hopefully this will narrow things down a bit.
I think the Biblical god is a product of the human imagination.
kingdombuilder
Member
why do you think this?
Because that is how it reads to me. The authors also gave their character the nastiest of human characteristics, no doubt to make it look more powerful than the gods of other tribes.
kingdombuilder
Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Misty
I think the Biblical god is a product of the human imagination.
why do you think this?
- Your personal opinion, ok, thank you.
Originally Posted by Misty
I think the Biblical god is a product of the human imagination.
why do you think this?
- Your personal opinion, ok, thank you.
Wotan
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Misty
I think the Biblical god is a product of the human imagination.
why do you think this?
- Your personal opinion, ok, thank you.
Do you have any actual evidence to the contrary?
kingdombuilder
Member
What kind of evidence would persuade you and how much? Even if presented with such evidence, do you really think you would then suddenly become a Bible believing Christian after so many years ( has it been years?) of believing otherwise based solely upon the presentation of such evidence?
Do you have any evidence contrary to my belief?
Wotan
Active Member
Since you asked. This little experiment would be most convincing. And if your god thingy is what theist claim it would be an easy thing to do.
On the next full moon a message appears on the face. "I am the Lord thy God." The message is seen by humans everywhere in their native language. Blind persons and those otherwise unable to see the message are nonetheless aware it is there and aware of its content. However no recording can be made, that is TV photos etc show NOTHING unusual. Yet every person looking at the moon sees this same message.
Further tides suddenly stop. As does the rotation of the moon in its orbit.
A month passes and a new message appears. "And I am ****** at all of you."
Damn well get MY attention.
But of course nothing like this has ever happened, except as recorded in your favorite book of myths. How - convenient.
As for my evidence I don't need any. I am not making a positive claim. You are. The burden of proof is yours alone.
In 6k years of trying you guys haven't produced a single thing but myth legend delusion and wishful thinking. But hey, maybe you got something.
Have at it.
kingdombuilder
Member
- yup this is true
On the next full moon a message appears on the face. "I am the Lord thy God." The message is seen by humans everywhere in their native language. Blind persons and those otherwise unable to see the message are nonetheless aware it is there and aware of its content. However no recording can be made, that is TV photos etc show NOTHING unusual. Yet every person looking at the moon sees this same message.
Further tides suddenly stop. As does the rotation of the moon in its orbit.
A month passes and a new message appears. "And I am ****** at all of you."
Damn well get MY attention.
- I doubt it, your natural inclination would probally still be to initially look for a natural explanation.
But of course nothing like this has ever happened, except as recorded in your favorite book of myths. How - convenient.
- Case in point.
As for my evidence I don't need any. I am not making a positive claim. You are. The burden of proof is yours alone.
- How convient for you. This is why I ask, I thought you might throw out the burden of proof argument. This clearly shows you could give a rip about what I may present, despite your claim otherwise. You have a belief and you are claiming that the Bible is a book of myths. Nice try though.
In 6k years of trying you guys haven't produced a single thing but myth legend delusion and wishful thinking. But hey, maybe you got something.
- mere opinion, opinion, and opinion with no reasons presented otherwise.
Have at it.
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Wotan
Active Member
Your are right in his there is not a single one but there one or hat are more damming to the soul.
First is not believe that He exist as salvation is gift from God offered to every one many time through out our life, they musk and receive it and believe, if you dont believe youll never ask for it .Right?
The others know but to pretending to know and believe but continue in ther way by the broad road that lead to destruction