Free will. How would you want to live

[We Never Know]

A. Would you rather be completely controlled, have no choices, no thoughts of your own, etc with no atrocities. (Have no free will)
Or ....
B. Would you rather have control, have choices, have your own thoughts, etc with atrocities. (Have free will)

I chose B

 

[ppp]

A. Would you rather be completely controlled, have no choices, no thoughts of your own, etc with no atrocities. (Have no free will)
Or ....
B. Would you rather have control, have choices, have your own thoughts, etc with atrocities. (Have free will)

I chose B

Even without free will my choices are my own. They're not anybody else's.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I don't know... even whether or not you believe in free will affects your choices. It's very complicated.

 

[We Never Know]

Even without free will my choices are my own. They're not anybody else's.

Not if you're preproggramed.

 

[Audie]

A. Would you rather be completely controlled, have no choices, no thoughts of your own, etc with no atrocities. (Have no free will)
Or ....
B. Would you rather have control, have choices, have your own thoughts, etc with atrocities. (Have free will)

I chose B

B is what we get. But if its a choice, yes.
Totally.

 

[ppp]

Not if you're preproggramed.

That's a big if. I don't see anything to do the programming.

 

[ppp]

Not if you're preproggramed.

Also, whatever I am, I am born with a nature, not blow by below instructions.

 

[robocop (actually)]

B is what we get. But if its a choice, yes.
Totally.

That's interesting... I would think you would believe in A.

 

[We Never Know]

Also, whatever I am, I am born with a nature, not blow by below instructions.

The thread is based on of a creating god being able to stop everything bad then why doesn't he.
To stop bad he would have to be in complete control of everyone and everything, hence choices A and B

 

[robocop (actually)]

One interesting thing about me believing in free will is I've had chronic severe schizophrenia. When your voices/delusions/hallucinations can control you like that it's a lot harder to believe in free will... but I still don't believe in it.

 

[ppp]

The thread is based on of a creating god being able to stop everything bad then why doesn't he.
To stop bad he would have to be in complete control of everyone and everything, hence choices A and B

Ah. Well. If it's the Christian God, definitely A.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

A. Would you rather be completely controlled, have no choices, no thoughts of your own, etc with no atrocities. (Have no free will)
Or ....
B. Would you rather have control, have choices, have your own thoughts, etc with atrocities. (Have free will)

I chose B

I had just been reading about something called the 'conjunction fallacy,' and I wonder if that ties in. I think it may, though I'm not sure how at the moment

 

[We Never Know]

Ah. Well. If it's the Christian God, definitely A.

So you would want him to control you rather than you control yourself?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

What if the creator deity isn't really omnimax, but only able to initiate the universe, but not be able greatly influence its progress, not know what's going on at every point at every instant, not be able to control, not have the knowledge or wisdom to address all needs of any creatures that might evolve within it?

 

[ppp]

So you would want him control you rather than you control yourself?

If I am an automaton then there is no me. My body would be a pZombie. Living with free will under an actual Christian god would just be hell on earth. And then hell in hell.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

The thread is based on of a creating god being able to stop everything bad then why doesn't he.

The issue I think, with your premise, is that 'atrocities' is an independent variable. Either or A or B is more likely than A or B +/- C. So it's hard to answer your question, because you are adding a causal stack that is less likely than merely A or B, (determinism or free-will) when you are adding the necessary absence or presence of C (which is the variable for 'atrocities')

 

[osgart]

I chose B. A is an automaton.

And why wouldn't God take prisoners and have a holy guard to do God's justice instead of denying free will?

An omnipotent God can do anything apart from denying people free will.

Why create people who cannot choose for themselves what path they will take? That makes no sense. A is not even being alive.

Of course an option C might be that God would only create beings that freely only desired good instead of evil. God making a free will that doesn't desire any evil. God is omnipotent, so nothing is beyond God's power to do.

So I have two reasons why God doesn't exist, or rather that God is not omnipotent.

 

[F1fan]

Kevin McCarthy is definitely an A. He tried being a B the day after the Jan 6 attack, but he realized that won't work.

 

[We Never Know]

Kevin McCarthy is definitely an A. He tried being a B the day after the Jan 6 attack, but he realized that won't work.

Do you always eat and breathe politics lol

 

[Aupmanyav]

A. Would you .. etc with atrocities.

We have social controls, government controls and parental control (during our young age). I suppose they are enough. Why bring an imaginary entity in the equation. (I have a tendency to cut out blah-blah)