Lightkeeper
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Do you believe in fate?
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Lightkeeper said:Do you believe in fate?
Unless you take the stance that the Divine is within us. Maybe an outer God is projection. If the Divine is within, there could be orchestration.EightyOne said:I cannot believe that such a thing as "fate" or "destiny" could possibly exist. In order for "fate" to be orchestrated, I think it would be necessary that I higher being - "God" - be the one controlling each person's life. However, why would anyone want to create such elaborately complex, sentient creatures only to manipulate them like soulless puppets? The creation experiment would be much more interesting were "God" to take a hands-off approach and simply stand by as a passive observer.
Or we could all be evil demons held in check by a Pixie-imposed illusion of humanity, or ...Lightkeeper said:If the Divine is within, there could be orchestration.
Lightkeeper said:Do you believe in fate?
Unless of course there was no higher being and "fate" was simply a natural force, randomly determined but impossible to change.I cannot believe that such a thing as "fate" or "destiny" could possibly exist. In order for "fate" to be orchestrated, I think it would be necessary that I higher being - "God" - be the one controlling each person's life. However, why would anyone want to create such elaborately complex, sentient creatures only to manipulate them like soulless puppets? The creation experiment would be much more interesting were "God" to take a hands-off approach and simply stand by as a passive observer.
NetDoc said:Our decisions and subsequent actions determine our fate.
These people did have some impact over their fate. Okay they did not do anything to bring the tsunami about. But if they had left the country for somewhere further inland then they would not have died. Okay the way I worded that makes it sound like Im blaming them for being so silly as to live near the sea but you know what I mean. My point is that are fates do not necessarily have to be our FAULT. This implies that we knowingly did something to bring them about which is not always the case. Our actions can lead to our fates quite unknowingly on our part.The people who died in the tsunami, for instance, had no control over what happened.
I hate to be agreeable, but this works for me.Our decisions and actions only have partial control over our fate
Hold the phone! That's an excellent point, Fluffy! You see, I do not believe in free-will for this exact idea! Let's have an example:Fluffy said:Unless of course there was no higher being and "fate" was simply a natural force, randomly determined but impossible to change.
I too had the same question. What exactly do you mean by saying the "Divine" could be within us? What would this "Divine" be, how would it function, why would it exist?"Divine" what? What we have, at best, is speculation about speculation.
What do you think of these verses:God does not write anything on the foreheads of people. There is no fate that determines our future before we are born. We are responsible for what we do, for the choices we make. "Each of us will render an account for himself to God."Romans 14:12
I've thought about this idea for such a long time. For me, the theory that everything is predetermined (by fate if you like) because everything is based upon everything that has come before it, is watertight. Yet I hate it so much . For me free will is vital to my sanity... I cannot imagine how pointless the world would be if we did not have it (ironic I know because fate normally implies purpose... yet it doesnt in this sense). Yet this theory proves, for me, that we don't have such a thing. Does the idea of having no free will not distress you, Ceridwen?If you were to toss a coin in order to acheive either heads or tails, the result could theoretically be pre-determined by applying the principles of physics, etc. For instance, the force at which you threw the coin, verses the density of the air that the coin travels through, versus the initial position of the coin, verses the elasticity of the surface that the coin bounces off of, versus the speed of the coin at the moment of impact with said surface (which is determined by the force by which it was initially thrown, and the amount of friction it undergoes as it travels through the air), etc., implies that there was only one possible outcome for that particular coin toss.