False claims about Mary Magdalene

[PetriFB]

HTML clipboard Many syncretistic religions formed gnosticism. Gnosticism was rivaling against Christianity and gnosticism held itself better religion as Christianity was. Word gnosticism comes from Greek word gnosis, which means knowledge. Gnosticism had various effects, for instance, some Gnostics taught that divinity can be achieved through unity of the man and woman. This thought led some Gnostics to reach for divinity through sexual intercourse between the man and woman. There existed also some Gnostics, who abstained from sexual intercourse. When we know the fact that Gnostics held Christians as their enemies and that Gnostics held themselves better as Christians and that Gnostics wanted to show in every way that Gnosticism was better as Christianity, so Gnostics made so called gnostic gospels were they twisted, slandered and misrepresented the real gospels. Gnostics went so far in this misrepresent that they wrote "new gospels" by faking the real gospels. In these faked gospels Gnostics wrote that Jesus Christ was an ordinary man who has a sexual relationship with Mary Magdalene.

This evil claim that Mary Magdalene would be Jesus' wife suited to Gnostics, because Gnostics tried to prove that their belief was better as Christian faith. So they made up doctrine about Jesus, who was married with Mary Magdalene. With these evil claim Gnostics made Jesus as an ordinary man and Gnostics try to undress Godhead of Jesus by this evil claim. The thought about marriage of Jesus Christ and sexual intercourse with Jesus and Mary Magdalene is gnostic gospel, which is spurious and faked gospel and not the real Gospel. There was among Gnostic people some who abstained from sexual intercourse and so Gnostics said that also Jesus spent depraved and sinful life. So Gnostic gospels have been born and these faked gospels were public letters with whose help Gnostics attacked against Christians. Gnostics invented a cunning plot to slander and defame Christians and attack against the truth of the word of God. Inspiration of Gnostic texts is in the headquarter of the darkness. The real truth about Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene can be found from the Bible. The Bible doesn't tell that Jesus was married, because Jesus was not married, and He wasn't an ordinary man, because He is the Son of Living God. Jesus Christ came to this world to die for the sake of sinners and atone sins of those people who repent their sins and believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and the Saviour.

Gnostic texts have also these features where Gnostics set themselves higher position as Christians and Gnostics didn't believe that Jesus was God. Preceding points prove that gnostic Apocrypha texts have not any Biblical and truthful values. Gnostics made their gospels for the reason that they wanted to prove the faith of Christians and the Bible for incorrect. Gnostics wanted to emphasize their beliefs through their faked gospels, and they kept Christians as their enemies. Gnostic texts are not original and true gospels, but faked gospels. By Gnostic texts cannot prove Biblical matters, because Gnostic texts have been written in evil purpose to twist the truth of the Bible and defame Jesus Christ.

Mary Magdalene was not Jesus' wife: Jesus wasn't married

 

[gnostic]

Can you cite the sources (these faked gospels) that say Jesus was married, petriFB?

You have repeatedly said that Jesus wasn't married and the gnostics were slandering Christianity with gospels, but you haven't provided any sources, nor mention which gnostic gospels were faked.

 

[logician]

Mary Magdelene, like JEsus, never existed, it seems quite obvious she is a work of fiction.

 

[Oberon]

Can you cite the sources (these faked gospels) that say Jesus was married, petriFB?

You have repeatedly said that Jesus wasn't married and the gnostics were slandering Christianity with gospels, but you haven't provided any sources, nor mention which gnostic gospels were faked.

The gnostics didn't say that Mary was married to Jesus. They simply made her into the "anti-disciple" against Peter (likely to undermine orthodox claims of authority).

 

[Comicaze247]

Really?! You knew JESUS?! You asked him if he was married, and he wasn't?! So you didn't just get that out of some book?! Wow! What was he like?! He was a hippie, wasn't he? Did he give you wine? I bet he was a wino, huh?

 

[gnostic]

The gnostics didn't say that Mary was married to Jesus. They simply made her into the "anti-disciple" against Peter (likely to undermine orthodox claims of authority).

I have my own copy of the Nag Hammadi Library, and as far as I can tell, nothing indicate Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

There's a reference in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene that Jesus like kissing MM (which made Peter jealous), but nothing that indicated they were married.

Which is the reason why I have asked PetriFB to cite his sources.

 

[Oberon]

I have my own copy of the Nag Hammadi Library, and as far as I can tell, nothing indicate Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

There's a reference in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene that Jesus like kissing MM (which made Peter jealous), but nothing that indicated they were married.

Which is the reason why I have asked PetriFB to cite his sources.

You are correct about the lack of marriage between Mary and Jesus in gnostic sources, and I am sure PetriFB, having said his piece, will have no sources to cite.

 

[Mr Cheese]

the kissing is actually from Philip, not Mary (the Gospel)

actually the Mandaeans allude to Jesus being married; afterall for the mandaeans not producing babies and not being married is a sin. Mandaean scripture tells us that:

Mary was heir to a "royal" Judaic priestly lineage.
Mary left to join the nazorean Jesus "cult"
The Jews seeing this despised jesus and eventually killed him.

Of course no where does it actually say Mary was married.

of course the Orignal post is largely just spam from many of the "debunk the davinci code" websites

What we DO have to remember is that the VAST majority of texts on Gnostics we DO have, are written against them, sayign how "naughty they were"

Of course some Gnostics DID actively seek to distance themselves from mainstream christianity, the Gospel of Judas for example is largely a text declaring the disciples are idiots and the church follows texts not Gnosis.

Althoughif this was fully true (that Gnostics hated Christians), we wouldnt have Valentinus, who was nearly POPE!


See:

MIRYAI IS EXPELLED FROM JEWRY (§ 34).
In the Name of Great Life, may hallowed Light be glorified.​

MIRYAI am I, of the Kings of Babel1 a daughter, a daughter of Jerasalem's mighty rulers. They have given me birth; the priests brought me up. In the fold of their robe they carried me up into the dark house, into the temple. Adonai laid a charge on my hands and on my two arms: I must scour and cleanse the house [that is] without firmness. There is naght therein for supporting the poor, naught to revive the tormented souls.
My father went to the house of the people, my mother went to the temple. My father went out and said to me, and my mother went out and charged me: "Miryai, close thy inner doors and bolt the bar. See that thou goest not forth into the main streets and that the suns of my Lord2 fall not upon thee."

Gnostic John the Baptizer - II. ii. The Story of the Breach with Judaism

a complete translation, for the first time in english exists:

Amazon.com: Secret Teachings of the Angelic Kings: New Translation of the ancient Aramaic "Drashia d-Malkia" scroll, containing lost Gnostic sermons of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and John the Baptist: Davied Asia Israel: Books

 

[Mr Cheese]

The gnostics didn't say that Mary was married to Jesus. They simply made her into the "anti-disciple" against Peter (likely to undermine orthodox claims of authority).

anti disciple?

I would say more the UBER disciple would be more accurate for the "majority" of Gnostic views.

For it is Mary, Thomas and one or two others that constantly appear in Gnostic texts.

It is in Pistis Sophia that Christ Addresses Mary, and in the Sophia of Jesus Christ where Christ appears after hsi death to talk to mary..... and others

 

[Oberon]

anti disciple?

I would say more the UBER disciple would be more accurate for the "majority" of Gnostic views.

Peter was the UBER disciple of orthodoxy. As such, mary (as a female, and yet still a gospel figure) made an excellent critique of orthodox claims for apostolic succession. Hence, the anti-peter.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Peter was the UBER disciple of orthodoxy. As such, mary (as a female, and yet still a gospel figure) made an excellent critique of orthodox claims for apostolic succession. Hence, the anti-peter.

Peter is catholic....

Thomas is found as the uber in India....
Mark in Egypt (coptic)

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Although I agree with your sentiment largely

 

[Oberon]

Peter is catholic....

Thomas is found as the uber in India....
Mark in Egypt (coptic)

What is the basis for these statements?

 

[Mr Cheese]

What is the basis for these statements?

from WIKI:




According to tradition the Coptic Orthodox Church is the Church of Alexandria which was established by Saint Mark the apostle and evangelist in the middle of the 1st century (approximately AD 42).[1] The head of the church and the See of Alexandria is the Pope of Alexandria and Patriarch of All Africa on the Holy See of Saint Mark, currently Pope Shenouda III. Around 95% of Egypt's Christians belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria,[2] though other churches also claim Patriarchates and Patriarchs of Alexandria; among them:

• The Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria

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It was to a land of dark people he was sent, to clothe them by Baptism in white robes. His grateful dawn dispelled India's painful darkness. It was his mission to espouse India to the One-Begotten. The merchant is blessed for having so great a treasure. Edessa thus became the blessed city by possessing the greatest pearl India could yield. Thomas works miracles in India, and at Edessa Thomas is destined to baptize peoples perverse and steeped in darkness, and that in the land of India." - Hymns of St. Ephraem, edited by Lamy (Ephr. Hymni et Sermones, IV).
Eusebius of Caesarea[19] quotes Origen (died mid-3rd century) as having stated that Thomas was the apostle to the Parthians, but Thomas is better known as the missionary to India through the Acts of Thomas, written ca 200. In Edessa, where his remains were venerated, the poet Ephrem the Syrian (died 373) wrote a hymn in which the Devil cries,

...Into what land shall I fly from the just? I stirred up Death the Apostles to slay, that by their death I might escape their blows. But harder still am I now stricken: the Apostle I slew in India has overtaken me in Edessa; here and there he is all himself. There went I, and there was he: here and there to my grief I find him. —quoted in Medlycott 1905, ch. ii. St. Ephraem, the great doctor of the Syrian Church, writes in the forty-second of his "Carmina Nisibina" that the Apostle was put to death in India, and that his remains were subsequently buried in Edessa, brought there by a merchant.[20]

 

[Oberon]

from WIKI:





According to tradition the Coptic Orthodox Church is the Church of Alexandria which was established by Saint Mark the apostle and evangelist in the middle of the 1st century (approximately AD 42).[1] The head of the church and the See of Alexandria is the Pope of Alexandria and Patriarch of All Africa on the Holy See of Saint Mark, currently Pope Shenouda III. Around 95% of Egypt's Christians belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria,[2] though other churches also claim Patriarchates and Patriarchs of Alexandria; among them:

• The Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria

............

It was to a land of dark people he was sent, to clothe them by Baptism in white robes. His grateful dawn dispelled India's painful darkness. It was his mission to espouse India to the One-Begotten. The merchant is blessed for having so great a treasure. Edessa thus became the blessed city by possessing the greatest pearl India could yield. Thomas works miracles in India, and at Edessa Thomas is destined to baptize peoples perverse and steeped in darkness, and that in the land of India." - Hymns of St. Ephraem, edited by Lamy (Ephr. Hymni et Sermones, IV).
Eusebius of Caesarea[19] quotes Origen (died mid-3rd century) as having stated that Thomas was the apostle to the Parthians, but Thomas is better known as the missionary to India through the Acts of Thomas, written ca 200. In Edessa, where his remains were venerated, the poet Ephrem the Syrian (died 373) wrote a hymn in which the Devil cries,

...Into what land shall I fly from the just? I stirred up Death the Apostles to slay, that by their death I might escape their blows. But harder still am I now stricken: the Apostle I slew in India has overtaken me in Edessa; here and there he is all himself. There went I, and there was he: here and there to my grief I find him. —quoted in Medlycott 1905, ch. ii. St. Ephraem, the great doctor of the Syrian Church, writes in the forty-second of his "Carmina Nisibina" that the Apostle was put to death in India, and that his remains were subsequently buried in Edessa, brought there by a merchant.[20]

1. Wiki is hardly a good source
2. It hardly supports Mark as an "uber disciple" for egypt or thomas as one for India.

 

[Mr Cheese]

1. Wiki is hardly a good source
2. It hardly supports Mark as an "uber disciple" for egypt or thomas as one for India.

goto the coptic alexandrian chruch, they claim to be founded by mark
to this day they ahve their OWN pope....

H. H. Pope Shenouda III

H. H. Pope Shenouda III

my Girl friend is from Alexandria, egypt...

...

Indian Christians claim Thomas as head of their church

 

[Oberon]

goto the coptic alexandrian chruch, they claim to be founded by mark

That isn't the same thing as an "uber disciple." Mark is claimed to be a disciple of Peter (a disciple of the "uber" disciple). That doesn't make him the "uber disciple" in the way that Peter is for orthodoxy or "mary" is for many gnostic sects.

 

[Mr Cheese]

That isn't the same thing as an "uber disciple." Mark is claimed to be a disciple of Peter (a disciple of the "uber" disciple). That doesn't make him the "uber disciple" in the way that Peter is for orthodoxy or "mary" is for many gnostic sects.

well he's (Mark) the founder of the church....

thats kind of "important"

lol:flirt: but ok... to your point

 

[gnostic]

the kissing is actually from Philip, not Mary (the Gospel)

You're right. :sorry1:

I got it confused.

In gospel of Mary Magdalene, Peter said that Jesus loved her more than any other woman, but no indication that he was kissing her, and then rebuked her when she told Peter what Jesus taught her in private.

Philip on the other hand, mentioned both Jesus loved and kissed her, and all the disciples were jealous.

Both gospels say that Jesus loved Mary, but I got confused which one mentioned the "kissing". It has been a while since I have read either of gnostic gospels.

 

[gnostic]

You are correct about the lack of marriage between Mary and Jesus in gnostic sources, and I am sure PetriFB, having said his piece, will have no sources to cite.

Does PetriFB spam the forum often?

If so then I have wasted my time in this thread.

 

[Mr Cheese]

You're right. :sorry1:

I got it confused.

In gospel of Mary Magdalene, Peter said that Jesus loved her more than any other woman, but no indication that he was kissing her, and then rebuked her when she told Peter what Jesus taught her in private.

Philip on the other hand, mentioned both Jesus loved and kissed her, and all the disciples were jealous.

Both gospels say that Jesus loved Mary, but I got confused which one mentioned the "kissing". It has been a while since I have read either of gnostic gospels.

mary the gospel, speaks a lot more about what we may overcome...

the process of purification, overcoming wrath, gluttony, lust etc.......

philip is a lot more, "all over the place" but focused on the bridal chamber...

I need to re-read most of the nag hammadi texts myself, some I have read often, others only once or twice