Exxon Knew Everything - And Lied

[Heyo]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

Exxon mobile had internal predictions for global warming as early as the '70s but downplayed all in their PR.

 

[Twilight Hue]

How can a prediction be a lie?

It's a prediction.

 

[Heyo]

How can a prediction be a lie?

It's a prediction.

They knew about the prediction - and lied about it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

They knew about the prediction - and lied about it.

You can't lie with a prediction.

You can be wrong however with predictions.

Anyways wayyy back in the 70s?

How exactly long does it take for climate to change?

 

[Secret Chief]

You can't lie with a prediction.

You can be wrong however with predictions.

Anyways wayyy back in the 70s?

How exactly long does it take for climate to change?

How long is a piece of string?

Climate change deniers would dismiss a relatively short time scale as "just weather." They manage to do this still. The science just bounces off them.

 

[Secret Chief]

They knew about the prediction - and lied about it.

Reminds me of the tobacco companies that didn't want to acknowledge that they were selling poisonous carcinogens.

 

[Quintessence]

How can a prediction be a lie?

It's a prediction.

Because in science, predictions are made using robust models based on real world data. We're not talking about throwing dice here.

In any case, this is old news that's been known amongst the science community for some time. Corporations with a profit-motive to suppress the harmful impacts of their products covering them up basically happens constantly. Because of course it does.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Reminds me of the tobacco companies that didn't want to acknowledge that they were selling poisonous carcinogens.

And the leftest wackjobs screaming over Joe Camel because its not good for the childern.

 

[Secret Chief]

And the leftest wackjobs screaming over Joe Camel because its not good for the childern.

The Sun. Good choice.

 

[We Never Know]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

Exxon mobile had internal predictions for global warming as early as the '70s but downplayed all in their PR.

How did governments not know?

 

[Heyo]

How did governments not know?

Well, they did. And they also tried to downplay it in their PR. The difference is that the prediction they ignored were public while Exxon hid theirs.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, they did. And they also tried to downplay it in their PR. The difference is that the prediction they ignored were public while Exxon hid theirs.

So in other words, they all knew and did nothing.
It was more up to the government to do something then it was Exxon.

 

[Heyo]

So in other words, they all knew and did nothing.
It was more up to the government to do something then it was Exxon.

Yep. But it is also shady to hide evidence and continue business as usual. @Secret Chief already compared it to the tobacco industry and the same behaviour backfired on them. I doubt Exxon will be convicted for it (at least not now) but they might get indicted.

 

[We Never Know]

Yep. But it is also shady to hide evidence and continue business as usual. @Secret Chief already compared it to the tobacco industry and the same behaviour backfired on them. I doubt Exxon will be convicted for it (at least not now) but they might get indicted.

The tobacco is a good point. If banning things where for people's health interests, cigarettes would have been banned a long time ago.

People can sue over vapes but not cigarettes.

 

[Heyo]

The tobacco is a good point. If banning things where for people's health interests, cigarettes would have been banned a long time ago.

People can sue over vapes but not cigarettes.

People, mostly cancer patients, have sued - and won - over cigarettes, arguing that the tobacco industry withheld vital health information they had.
I don't see how someone could claim personal damage from using fossil fuel but lawyers are very creative.

 

[metis]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

Exxon mobile had internal predictions for global warming as early as the '70s but downplayed all in their PR.

And they heavily support the Republicans, thus likes do attract also with this situation.