It’s a capacity confined to humans. The vegetable, mineral and animal kingdoms are bereft of this.
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Evidence for a god existing or not existing
- Thread starter We Never Know
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It’s a capacity confined to humans. The vegetable, mineral and animal kingdoms are bereft of this.
God can only be known spiritually. Human reason cannot capture God which is why it’s futile to try and use human reason to disprove Him.
Like the eye sees the sun, the spirit sees God. It’s that clear. No test is required.
Subduction Zone
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No one is trying to disprove god. We do not have to. The burden of proof lies upon those that claim a god exists. You are still misusing the word "know".
Subduction Zone
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I am not denying. You keep demonstrating that you don't know that god exists. To put it simply:
If you can't show it you don't know it.
Subduction Zone
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Tests or evidence are required for all claims. Right now your actions are saying not only do you not know, you are providing evidence that your particular version of god does not exist.
ratiocinator
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Firstly, how do you know? I mean, I'll accept that vegetables an minerals are unlikely to have any sense of god (true or false) but can you categorically rule out all other (non-human) animals?
Secondly, so what? It doesn't tell us anything about whether it's that some people recognise a god or some people have a tendency to see a god where none actually exists.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Nobody needs to try to disprove something for which no evidence or reasoning has been offered in the first place.
Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia
Self knowing does not require proof or any explanation to others. I know God exists because I see him as clearly as one sees the sun with their outward eyes. But those who cannot see the sun does not change or alter the fact the sun exists, only that their eyesight or inner sight is impaired with regards to seeing God.
ratiocinator
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So what if I say something like "Like the eye sees the darkness between the stars, the spirit sees that there is no God. It’s that clear. No test is required." Now what?
It is an inward spiritual discovery which involves spiritual insight not the outward senses.
ratiocinator
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And if somebody sees something that isn't there because they're hallucinating or their sight is impaired, that doesn't change the fact that it's not there. How do you know it's your "inner sight" that is working and it's mine that isn't?
I have all the proof and evidence for myself. I don’t need others to verify or vindicate what I know. It’s as clear as the sun at midday to me but you will have to travel your own journey. I cannot find God for you.
One must seek out God for themselves. I did and found Him but I cannot search for God for you. Only you can do that and God willing you will find Him.
I have searched and discovered the truth for myself. It is up to each and all to conduct their own search.
When one has found God proofs are no longer necessary. His greatest proof is His own Self.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Been there, done that, got taken in (well, I was a young teenager at the time) learnt to think critically, saw the contradictions, saw how I'd been emotionally taken in, got better.
When one finds God then there is no doubt remaining. It is crystal clear.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Until you actually have the courage to question it and think about it critically. That was my experience. This is the problem with just going on your own subjective experiences, they can very easily be wrong.