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Emerging From Hell

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
3 years ago...

Like most human beings, I have often felt the need to cling. A group to belong to; a goal to pursue; a leader to follow. I wanted to find a conservative group that represented my politically left-field beliefs, being socially conservative and economically liberal. This put me out of touch with a lot of people in the political sphere.

I eventually stumbled upon White Nationalism (Not White Supremacy™) and fell headlong into purgatory. Mostly a U.S. movement (if it could be called a movement) I still felt isolated and fragmented, because it had no core doctrine/s. Nor did WN fully represent my beliefs, because it was far too broad and attracted all sorts of people with whom I didn't want to associate; anti-intellectual types who had a painfully bad grasp of history and politics, economics and so forth. I still spent a lot of time with some White Nationalists though because broadly it was a group I could share my views with and not feel shot down by.

Let me tell you - being a White Nationalist is a pretty small effort when it comes to getting out. Or being pulled out. Probably one of the reasons I didn't fully connect with it; not to mention its overt US foundations. It took me a long time to buy into the whole Jewish problem because it seemed like nonsense, but eventually it stuck. It stuck because I believed that the white race was a pretty perfect race and we were dwindling, our countries were turning into liberal holes, full of things I disagree with like on-demand abortions and same-sex marriage (things with which I still take issue). However, if my people were perfect and so on, they couldn't possibly be responsible for ruining their own societies, so the culprit had to be some race else; some race that could blend in. It certainly wasn't Korean people. This is where it becomes possible for such a mindset to accept a Jewish Problem™. As stupid as this logic sounds, and as stupid as it is, you must remember that these people genuinely believe that their race is dying and their countries are going to be overrun by foreign cultures and their way of life will be lost forever - this kind of thinking leads indeed to a sort of madness. 'You do what you can to save your family' logic, nevermind that the threat may not be real; the threat is as real to them as the heat in Arizona.

Well, I thought it was.

I eventually wandered even further down the path to a more European-based way of thinking. It had set doctrines, a foundation, a group of people who knew history, politics, economics, and so forth. I'd reached National Socialism. Now as far as NS is concerned, there may as well be two groups. There is the group that you see on the telly; Neo-Nazis, with their cut-hair and their offensive flags; then there is the other group, what I might call the National Socialists. The sort of real ones. These people don't take part in street demonstrations; they don't wave stupid flags, or walk around covered in tattoos and let everyone know they are NatSocs. Anyone with any brains doesn't do this; they keep it squarely to themselves and other National Socialists. They are well-read; they may have gone to university; they know their politics and most of them don't like Trump. You could have an intelligent discussion on the economy with a NS and not even realise it. This group was the one I joined, so to speak. I became a holohoaxer (ship them all to Madagascar); I believed that Jews controlled, well, everything; I read MK. All these sorts of things, I did them and discussed them online with other National Socialists whom I trusted.

We shared the same views, mostly (religion is a huge issue, if not one of the biggest issues within modern National Socialism). We had one outlook. We had one goal. Hot damn I sure hated those Jews.

And, well, pretty much everyone else too because they'd accepted the lie™.

It wasn't until the internet was taken from me in mom's effort to cut down on household bills that I started to crack the shell a little. I did what I usually do when I have no internet - I read the Scripture. I became enthralled by figures like David, the prophets, and felt my heart break for Tamar. It may surprise you, but I never once thought 'Oh, these guys are Jews, my apparent mortal enemies'.

Eventually I moved (or rather, was evicted) and regained the internet. I returned to RF and also to my NS sites, SF and so on. I was in a kind of limbo because I had put all my energy into National Socialism and yet at this point in my life I was exploring 'Hebrew Roots' nonsense. Eventually, after being on RF, my views did start to change, albeit slowly. My old love for Judaism that I'd had since I was a kid finally pushed through after I met this bloke. I decided that politics was always going to be a nonsense and that I was better concentrating my efforts on religion, which meant ultimately way, way more to me. Though I was still politically homeless and on RF that's kind of a sucky position. Anyway this bloke I was chatting to had no idea he was talking to a what I might now call, lukewarm National Socialist (why would I tell him?!).

He helped, though. I mean, he helped a lot. There's nothing quite like a damn Jew to cut the NatSoc jugular.

But now I feel bad. Coming out of White Nationalism is a piece of cake compared to being an Ex-National Socialist. It feels like a stain that will never wash out, no matter how much t'shuva I make, or how much I try to stick up for my now beloved Jewish people. My old anti-Semitism is all over old diaries and it pains me to read it, even just knowing it's there. I understand that people do all sorts of crazy things, go through all sorts of phases, but very few have a serious National Socialism phase. It just feels like the deaths of millions are still on the conscience, even if I had nothing to do with it.

I sort of hope this post will help.
 
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Like most human beings, I have often felt the need to cling. A group to belong to; a goal to pursue; a leader to follow. I wanted to find a conservative group that represented my politically left-field beliefs, being socially conservative and economically liberal. This put me out of touch with a lot of people in the political sphere.

I eventually stumbled upon White Nationalism (Not White Supremacy™) and fell headlong into purgatory. Mostly a U.S. movement (if it could be called a movement) I still felt isolated and fragmented, because it had no core doctrine/s. Nor did WN fully represent my beliefs, because it was far too broad and attracted all sorts of people who I didn't want to associate with; anti-intellectual types who had a painfully bad grasp of history and politics, economics and so forth. I still spent a lot of time with some White Nationalists though because broadly it was a group I could share my views with and not feel shot down by.

Let me tell you - being a White Nationalist is pretty small fry when it comes to getting out. Or being pulled out. Probably one of the reasons I didn't fully connect with it; not to mention its overt US foundations. It took me a long time to buy into the whole Jewish problem because it seemed like nonsense, but eventually it stuck. It stuck because I believed that the white race was a pretty perfect race and we were dwindling, our countries were turning into liberal holes, full of things I disagree with like on-demand abortions and same-sex marriage (things with which I still take issue). However, if my people were perfect and so on, they couldn't possibly be responsible for ruining their own societies, so the culprit had to be some race else; some race that could blend in. It certainly wasn't Korean people. This is where it becomes possible for such a mindset to accept a Jewish Problem™. As stupid as this logic sounds, and as stupid as it is, you must remember that these people genuinely believe that their race is dying and their countries are going to be overrun by foreign cultures and their way of life will be lost forever - this kind of thinking leads indeed to a sort of madness. 'You do what you can to save your family' logic, nevermind that the threat may not be real; the threat is as real to them as the heat in Arizona.

Well, I thought it was.

I eventually wandered even further down the path to a more European-based way of thinking. It had set doctrines, a foundation, a group of people who knew history, politics, economics, and so forth. I'd reached National Socialism. Now as far as NS is concerned, there may as well be two groups. There is the group that you see on the telly; Neo-Nazis, with their cut-hair and their offensive flags; then there is the other group, what I might call the National Socialists. The sort of real ones These people don't take part in street demonstrations; they don't wave stupid flags, or walk around covered in tattoos and let everyone know they are NatSocs. Anyone with any brains doesn't do this; they keep it squarely to themselves and other National Socialists. They are well-read; they may have gone to university; they know their politics and most of them don't like Trump. You could have an intelligent discussion on the economy with a NS and not even realise it. This group was the one I joined, so to speak. I became a holohoaxer (ship them all to Madagascar); I believed that Jews controlled, well, everything; I read MK. All these sorts of things, I did them and discussed them online with other National Socialists whom I trusted.

We shared the same views, mostly (religion is a huge issue, if not one of the biggest issues within modern National Socialism). We had one outlook. We had one goal. Hot damn I sure hated those Jews.

And, well, pretty much everyone else too because they'd accepted the lie™.

It wasn't until the internet was taken from me in mom's effort to cut down on household bills that I started to crack the shell a little. I did what I usually do when I have no internet - I read the Scripture. I became enthralled by figures like David, the prophets, and felt my heart break for Tamar. It may surprise you, but I never once thought 'Oh, these guys are Jews, my apparent mortal enemies'.

Eventually I moved (or rather, was evicted) and regained the internet. I returned to RF and also to my NS sites, SF and so on. I was in a kind of limbo because I had put all my energy into National Socialism and yet at this point in my life I was exploring 'Hebrew Roots' nonsense. Eventually, after being on RF, my views did start to change, albeit slowly. My old love for Judaism that I'd had since I was a kid finally pushed through after I met this bloke. I decided that politics was always going to be a nonsense and that I was better concentrating my efforts on religion, which meant ultimately way, way more to me. Though I was still politically homeless and on RF that's kind of a sucky position. Anyway this bloke I was chatting to had no idea he was talking to a what I might now call, lukewarm National Socialist (why would I tell him?!).

He helped, though. I mean, he helped a lot. There's nothing quite like a damn Jew to cut the NatSoc jugular.

But now I feel bad. Coming out of White Nationalism is a piece of cake compared to being an Ex-National Socialist. It feels like a stain that will never wash out, no matter how much t'shuva I make, or how much I try to stick up for my now beloved Jewish people. My old anti-Semitism is all over old diaries and it pains me to read it, even just knowing it's there. I understand that people do all sorts of crazy things, go through all sorts of phases, but very few have a serious National Socialism phase. It just feels like the deaths of millions are still on the conscience, even if I had nothing to do with it.

I sort of hope this post will help.

I sure it will help, :)
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Like most human beings, I have often felt the need to cling. A group to belong to; a goal to pursue; a leader to follow. I wanted to find a conservative group that represented my politically left-field beliefs, being socially conservative and economically liberal. This put me out of touch with a lot of people in the political sphere.

I eventually stumbled upon White Nationalism (Not White Supremacy™) and fell headlong into purgatory. Mostly a U.S. movement (if it could be called a movement) I still felt isolated and fragmented, because it had no core doctrine/s. Nor did WN fully represent my beliefs, because it was far too broad and attracted all sorts of people who I didn't want to associate with; anti-intellectual types who had a painfully bad grasp of history and politics, economics and so forth. I still spent a lot of time with some White Nationalists though because broadly it was a group I could share my views with and not feel shot down by.

Let me tell you - being a White Nationalist is pretty small fry when it comes to getting out. Or being pulled out. Probably one of the reasons I didn't fully connect with it; not to mention its overt US foundations. It took me a long time to buy into the whole Jewish problem because it seemed like nonsense, but eventually it stuck. It stuck because I believed that the white race was a pretty perfect race and we were dwindling, our countries were turning into liberal holes, full of things I disagree with like on-demand abortions and same-sex marriage (things with which I still take issue). However, if my people were perfect and so on, they couldn't possibly be responsible for ruining their own societies, so the culprit had to be some race else; some race that could blend in. It certainly wasn't Korean people. This is where it becomes possible for such a mindset to accept a Jewish Problem™. As stupid as this logic sounds, and as stupid as it is, you must remember that these people genuinely believe that their race is dying and their countries are going to be overrun by foreign cultures and their way of life will be lost forever - this kind of thinking leads indeed to a sort of madness. 'You do what you can to save your family' logic, nevermind that the threat may not be real; the threat is as real to them as the heat in Arizona.

Well, I thought it was.

I eventually wandered even further down the path to a more European-based way of thinking. It had set doctrines, a foundation, a group of people who knew history, politics, economics, and so forth. I'd reached National Socialism. Now as far as NS is concerned, there may as well be two groups. There is the group that you see on the telly; Neo-Nazis, with their cut-hair and their offensive flags; then there is the other group, what I might call the National Socialists. The sort of real ones These people don't take part in street demonstrations; they don't wave stupid flags, or walk around covered in tattoos and let everyone know they are NatSocs. Anyone with any brains doesn't do this; they keep it squarely to themselves and other National Socialists. They are well-read; they may have gone to university; they know their politics and most of them don't like Trump. You could have an intelligent discussion on the economy with a NS and not even realise it. This group was the one I joined, so to speak. I became a holohoaxer (ship them all to Madagascar); I believed that Jews controlled, well, everything; I read MK. All these sorts of things, I did them and discussed them online with other National Socialists whom I trusted.

We shared the same views, mostly (religion is a huge issue, if not one of the biggest issues within modern National Socialism). We had one outlook. We had one goal. Hot damn I sure hated those Jews.

And, well, pretty much everyone else too because they'd accepted the lie™.

It wasn't until the internet was taken from me in mom's effort to cut down on household bills that I started to crack the shell a little. I did what I usually do when I have no internet - I read the Scripture. I became enthralled by figures like David, the prophets, and felt my heart break for Tamar. It may surprise you, but I never once thought 'Oh, these guys are Jews, my apparent mortal enemies'.

Eventually I moved (or rather, was evicted) and regained the internet. I returned to RF and also to my NS sites, SF and so on. I was in a kind of limbo because I had put all my energy into National Socialism and yet at this point in my life I was exploring 'Hebrew Roots' nonsense. Eventually, after being on RF, my views did start to change, albeit slowly. My old love for Judaism that I'd had since I was a kid finally pushed through after I met this bloke. I decided that politics was always going to be a nonsense and that I was better concentrating my efforts on religion, which meant ultimately way, way more to me. Though I was still politically homeless and on RF that's kind of a sucky position. Anyway this bloke I was chatting to had no idea he was talking to a what I might now call, lukewarm National Socialist (why would I tell him?!).

He helped, though. I mean, he helped a lot. There's nothing quite like a damn Jew to cut the NatSoc jugular.

But now I feel bad. Coming out of White Nationalism is a piece of cake compared to being an Ex-National Socialist. It feels like a stain that will never wash out, no matter how much t'shuva I make, or how much I try to stick up for my now beloved Jewish people. My old anti-Semitism is all over old diaries and it pains me to read it, even just knowing it's there. I understand that people do all sorts of crazy things, go through all sorts of phases, but very few have a serious National Socialism phase. It just feels like the deaths of millions are still on the conscience, even if I had nothing to do with it.

I sort of hope this post will help.

I'm a white person. I can tell you that I've been around prominant Italian, Persian, and Jewish families, and they're all highly respectable and intelligent people.

In fact, Caesar called the Germanics 'savage' because they were savages. The Vikings were also savages who were so low, they sold other whites to Arabs as slaves.

Anyone with a self-centered militant attitude, who puts their agenda before the lives and well-being of others is no friend of mine.

...If anyone wants to find a group to bond with... Seek out those who live family-lives.
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
Like most human beings, I have often felt the need to cling. A group to belong to; a goal to pursue; a leader to follow. I wanted to find a conservative group that represented my politically left-field beliefs, being socially conservative and economically liberal. This put me out of touch with a lot of people in the political sphere.

I eventually stumbled upon White Nationalism (Not White Supremacy™) and fell headlong into purgatory. Mostly a U.S. movement (if it could be called a movement) I still felt isolated and fragmented, because it had no core doctrine/s. Nor did WN fully represent my beliefs, because it was far too broad and attracted all sorts of people who I didn't want to associate with; anti-intellectual types who had a painfully bad grasp of history and politics, economics and so forth. I still spent a lot of time with some White Nationalists though because broadly it was a group I could share my views with and not feel shot down by.

Let me tell you - being a White Nationalist is pretty small fry when it comes to getting out. Or being pulled out. Probably one of the reasons I didn't fully connect with it; not to mention its overt US foundations. It took me a long time to buy into the whole Jewish problem because it seemed like nonsense, but eventually it stuck. It stuck because I believed that the white race was a pretty perfect race and we were dwindling, our countries were turning into liberal holes, full of things I disagree with like on-demand abortions and same-sex marriage (things with which I still take issue). However, if my people were perfect and so on, they couldn't possibly be responsible for ruining their own societies, so the culprit had to be some race else; some race that could blend in. It certainly wasn't Korean people. This is where it becomes possible for such a mindset to accept a Jewish Problem™. As stupid as this logic sounds, and as stupid as it is, you must remember that these people genuinely believe that their race is dying and their countries are going to be overrun by foreign cultures and their way of life will be lost forever - this kind of thinking leads indeed to a sort of madness. 'You do what you can to save your family' logic, nevermind that the threat may not be real; the threat is as real to them as the heat in Arizona.

Well, I thought it was.

I eventually wandered even further down the path to a more European-based way of thinking. It had set doctrines, a foundation, a group of people who knew history, politics, economics, and so forth. I'd reached National Socialism. Now as far as NS is concerned, there may as well be two groups. There is the group that you see on the telly; Neo-Nazis, with their cut-hair and their offensive flags; then there is the other group, what I might call the National Socialists. The sort of real ones These people don't take part in street demonstrations; they don't wave stupid flags, or walk around covered in tattoos and let everyone know they are NatSocs. Anyone with any brains doesn't do this; they keep it squarely to themselves and other National Socialists. They are well-read; they may have gone to university; they know their politics and most of them don't like Trump. You could have an intelligent discussion on the economy with a NS and not even realise it. This group was the one I joined, so to speak. I became a holohoaxer (ship them all to Madagascar); I believed that Jews controlled, well, everything; I read MK. All these sorts of things, I did them and discussed them online with other National Socialists whom I trusted.

We shared the same views, mostly (religion is a huge issue, if not one of the biggest issues within modern National Socialism). We had one outlook. We had one goal. Hot damn I sure hated those Jews.

And, well, pretty much everyone else too because they'd accepted the lie™.

It wasn't until the internet was taken from me in mom's effort to cut down on household bills that I started to crack the shell a little. I did what I usually do when I have no internet - I read the Scripture. I became enthralled by figures like David, the prophets, and felt my heart break for Tamar. It may surprise you, but I never once thought 'Oh, these guys are Jews, my apparent mortal enemies'.

Eventually I moved (or rather, was evicted) and regained the internet. I returned to RF and also to my NS sites, SF and so on. I was in a kind of limbo because I had put all my energy into National Socialism and yet at this point in my life I was exploring 'Hebrew Roots' nonsense. Eventually, after being on RF, my views did start to change, albeit slowly. My old love for Judaism that I'd had since I was a kid finally pushed through after I met this bloke. I decided that politics was always going to be a nonsense and that I was better concentrating my efforts on religion, which meant ultimately way, way more to me. Though I was still politically homeless and on RF that's kind of a sucky position. Anyway this bloke I was chatting to had no idea he was talking to a what I might now call, lukewarm National Socialist (why would I tell him?!).

He helped, though. I mean, he helped a lot. There's nothing quite like a damn Jew to cut the NatSoc jugular.

But now I feel bad. Coming out of White Nationalism is a piece of cake compared to being an Ex-National Socialist. It feels like a stain that will never wash out, no matter how much t'shuva I make, or how much I try to stick up for my now beloved Jewish people. My old anti-Semitism is all over old diaries and it pains me to read it, even just knowing it's there. I understand that people do all sorts of crazy things, go through all sorts of phases, but very few have a serious National Socialism phase. It just feels like the deaths of millions are still on the conscience, even if I had nothing to do with it.

I sort of hope this post will help.
Human behavior intends to satisfy our unconscious needs. Arrogant behavior satisfies the unconscious need to feel superior to other people. Arrogance drives a ton of human behavior, some of it good but most of it bad.

Conscience is an intuitive moral guide emerging from the unconscious.

I read your entire post as a diary excerpt of someone dealing with the on-going battle between Conscience and Arrogance, one that we all deal with in one way or another.

Good luck with it.
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
emerging from hell.....seems a bit misleading as title

maybe I will start another thread more to the literal
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Like most human beings, I have often felt the need to cling. A group to belong to; a goal to pursue; a leader to follow. I wanted to find a conservative group that represented my politically left-field beliefs, being socially conservative and economically liberal. This put me out of touch with a lot of people in the political sphere.

I eventually stumbled upon White Nationalism (Not White Supremacy™) and fell headlong into purgatory. Mostly a U.S. movement (if it could be called a movement) I still felt isolated and fragmented, because it had no core doctrine/s. Nor did WN fully represent my beliefs, because it was far too broad and attracted all sorts of people who I didn't want to associate with; anti-intellectual types who had a painfully bad grasp of history and politics, economics and so forth. I still spent a lot of time with some White Nationalists though because broadly it was a group I could share my views with and not feel shot down by.

Let me tell you - being a White Nationalist is pretty small fry when it comes to getting out. Or being pulled out. Probably one of the reasons I didn't fully connect with it; not to mention its overt US foundations. It took me a long time to buy into the whole Jewish problem because it seemed like nonsense, but eventually it stuck. It stuck because I believed that the white race was a pretty perfect race and we were dwindling, our countries were turning into liberal holes, full of things I disagree with like on-demand abortions and same-sex marriage (things with which I still take issue). However, if my people were perfect and so on, they couldn't possibly be responsible for ruining their own societies, so the culprit had to be some race else; some race that could blend in. It certainly wasn't Korean people. This is where it becomes possible for such a mindset to accept a Jewish Problem™. As stupid as this logic sounds, and as stupid as it is, you must remember that these people genuinely believe that their race is dying and their countries are going to be overrun by foreign cultures and their way of life will be lost forever - this kind of thinking leads indeed to a sort of madness. 'You do what you can to save your family' logic, nevermind that the threat may not be real; the threat is as real to them as the heat in Arizona.

Well, I thought it was.

I eventually wandered even further down the path to a more European-based way of thinking. It had set doctrines, a foundation, a group of people who knew history, politics, economics, and so forth. I'd reached National Socialism. Now as far as NS is concerned, there may as well be two groups. There is the group that you see on the telly; Neo-Nazis, with their cut-hair and their offensive flags; then there is the other group, what I might call the National Socialists. The sort of real ones These people don't take part in street demonstrations; they don't wave stupid flags, or walk around covered in tattoos and let everyone know they are NatSocs. Anyone with any brains doesn't do this; they keep it squarely to themselves and other National Socialists. They are well-read; they may have gone to university; they know their politics and most of them don't like Trump. You could have an intelligent discussion on the economy with a NS and not even realise it. This group was the one I joined, so to speak. I became a holohoaxer (ship them all to Madagascar); I believed that Jews controlled, well, everything; I read MK. All these sorts of things, I did them and discussed them online with other National Socialists whom I trusted.

We shared the same views, mostly (religion is a huge issue, if not one of the biggest issues within modern National Socialism). We had one outlook. We had one goal. Hot damn I sure hated those Jews.

And, well, pretty much everyone else too because they'd accepted the lie™.

It wasn't until the internet was taken from me in mom's effort to cut down on household bills that I started to crack the shell a little. I did what I usually do when I have no internet - I read the Scripture. I became enthralled by figures like David, the prophets, and felt my heart break for Tamar. It may surprise you, but I never once thought 'Oh, these guys are Jews, my apparent mortal enemies'.

Eventually I moved (or rather, was evicted) and regained the internet. I returned to RF and also to my NS sites, SF and so on. I was in a kind of limbo because I had put all my energy into National Socialism and yet at this point in my life I was exploring 'Hebrew Roots' nonsense. Eventually, after being on RF, my views did start to change, albeit slowly. My old love for Judaism that I'd had since I was a kid finally pushed through after I met this bloke. I decided that politics was always going to be a nonsense and that I was better concentrating my efforts on religion, which meant ultimately way, way more to me. Though I was still politically homeless and on RF that's kind of a sucky position. Anyway this bloke I was chatting to had no idea he was talking to a what I might now call, lukewarm National Socialist (why would I tell him?!).

He helped, though. I mean, he helped a lot. There's nothing quite like a damn Jew to cut the NatSoc jugular.

But now I feel bad. Coming out of White Nationalism is a piece of cake compared to being an Ex-National Socialist. It feels like a stain that will never wash out, no matter how much t'shuva I make, or how much I try to stick up for my now beloved Jewish people. My old anti-Semitism is all over old diaries and it pains me to read it, even just knowing it's there. I understand that people do all sorts of crazy things, go through all sorts of phases, but very few have a serious National Socialism phase. It just feels like the deaths of millions are still on the conscience, even if I had nothing to do with it.

I sort of hope this post will help.
It took balls for you to post something like this! I'm proud of you! :)

Good and evil people come in all colors, all political parties, and all religions.

I think you should still keep your views on abortion. It hurts a lot of women, and if you believe babies in the womb are human beings, it's hard to support such mass-killings of people, while pleasing God at the same time.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I was just reading that London has become the capital of acid attacks. I don't think immigration of people from hostile cultures is good for your country.

So, keep some of your conservative views. But far-right hate groups are not healthy. Hate and fear isn't good for anybody, but political correctness can be very harmful as well. Find a happy medium.

"London is the acid capital of the world and has areas where drivers won’t work because there are so many attacks"
London is the acid capital of the world and has areas where drivers won't work because there are so many attacks
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I created a 13-minute YouTube where I confessed every single sin and defect I could think of in 13 minutes. I confessed every stupid terrible thing I've done under the influence as well as dark detailed fantasies.

I submitted the same video to a white nationalist website and a black nationalist website.

The white supremacists antagonized me for multiple pages, said they prefer I stay on the other side, and then my account was banned.

The black nationalists were more just speechless.

It really gave me a distaste for white nationalists. At least I easily (hands down) preferred the black nationalist forum over the white nationalist forum.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The OP sort of shocked me lol. I'm always delighted to see such honesty and a person being real. I had no clue you ever had an anti-semitic or white nationalist bone in your body.

I realize this was 3 years ago, but it doesn't seem like you were a white nationalist to me.

Don't feel like the blood of innocent people is somehow on your conscience. That's silly. :p You simply went through a phase. I was recently a hardcore Zionist. I wanted to see Israel just take the Arabs out. I no longer feel that way. I feel guilty as well for what my views once were.

I keep and Israeli flag and Jewish Heroes on my wall. I used to be anti-Semitic. Now I have found a happy medium. People go through phases.

I was a hard-core conservative but have since realized the errors of always favoring right wing government. I used to despise homosexuals and pro-choicers, and now I feel much compassion for them, and sympathize with them.

I'm not who I was years ago. Neither are you! :)

Oh, this is in the journal section. Sorry if my posts were not appropriate for a journal.:blush:
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
@Rival FWIW, I've thought long and hard about what it is I value most. I use those values to help me navigate through life. A part of that includes determining which perspectives, attitudes and beliefs are in keeping with my values. As far as groups or causes go, I look to their actions, not just their words.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
You’re cool and so are the Jews. Many of us have done stuff we regret, especially when younger.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
So, @England my lionheart seemed to want me to write another journal post. Here I go, then. I suppose this is less of a journal post and more of a semi-essay but some people might have been thinking about it?

Cybermen. Why has Rival been into Mondasian Cybermen lately? First, I will explain what Mondasian Cybermen are, as many here won't know, and then explain why this intrigues me.

'Aeons ago' Earth had a twin planet called Mondas, complete with humans, albeit slightly more advanced (although according to Spare Parts [an audiplay], not much more advanced). When Earth's moon erupted, this knocked Mondas from its orbit and sent it into deep space, where it became almost uninhabitable. As the population had shrunk greatly, due to its inhospitality, all the residents could be found in one city. This city was underground. Eventually, in order to survive, the doctors and cybernetic scientists '[...] devised spare parts for our bodies until we could be almost completely replaced'. So far so good. However,

'Our brains are just like yours, except that certain weaknesses have been removed.'

'Weaknesses? What weaknesses?'

'You call them emotions, do you not?'

Oh dear. How they did this is unclear. In World Enough and Time, it was explained that the handlebars and headlamp were the emotional inhibitors, while Spare Parts sticks with their 'not much more advanced' line and simply has the people lobotomised (although they also work in the emotional inhibitors as well somehow, I'm unsure). Allowing for some artistic license, a lobotomy could theoretically stop one from feeling strong emotions; numb one to them so much they cease to care and/or become, in common parlance, psychopathic.

These Cybermen are unnerving because their eyes can be seen; they have human hands, they talk musically and engage in what appears to be more civil conversation, as well as seeming to have even some form of manners (they say please). They gestate with their hands, run them over surfaces as they walk, and overall seem to want to engage with humans 'person to person', as these Cybermen still consider themselves human.

Look at his eyes. That's a human.

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...or is it?

His (his name is Krail, because why not).

Oh yeah, they have names. In Spare Parts, the Cybercontroller is called Zheng. They have disagreements too, which is sort of strange for people who have no emotions.

BigThink...

"A few years ago, neuroscientist Antonio Damasio made a groundbreaking discovery. He studied people with damage in the part of the brain where emotions are generated. He found that they seemed normal, except that they were not able to feel emotions. But they all had something peculiar in common: they couldn’t make decisions. They could describe what they should be doing in logical terms, yet they found it very difficult to make even simple decisions, such as what to eat. Many decisions have pros and cons on both sides—shall I have the chicken or the turkey? With no rational way to decide, these test subjects were unable to arrive at a decision.

Those who base their negotiation strategy on logic end up relying on assumptions, guesses, and opinions. If my side of the argument is logical, they figure, then the other side can’t argue with it and is bound to come around to my way of thinking. The problem is, you can’t assume that the other party will see things your way. "

Well that explains the problem. They just do stuff, because they just do. They explain that,

'We are equipped to survive, we are only interested in survival; anything else is of no importance.Your deaths will not affect us.'

Now here's my nitpick; also, the Cybermen don't care if people die, because they're only interested in survival. That's one of the most ironic things ever.

OK, so their feelings have been removed. That sentence was deliberately crafted, because that is what happened - no-one on Mondas wanted to be a Cyberman, it happened against their collective will. So their emotions have been removed, they did not remove them, so to speak. And if they cannot make decisions, at least not very well, are they even responsible for what they do? Think about it; a machine is not responsible for anything, only its programmer. These Cybermen are programmed (Spare Parts) and part of a neural network (World Enough and Time). Are they just a seriously well-made artificial intelligence? Would that negate their being human?

If Krail were stood before you in court and you put together an RF jury to convict him of, well, destroying the Earth, and he told you that he has no emotions ('Feelings? I do not understand that word.') and his only interest is survival, and you understand from neuroscience that his decision making is poor at best, would you convict him? Would you try him as a human? Note that their intention isn't evil. Mondas is draining Earth of its energy so it can survive; either way one planet is going to die. No-one wants it to be theirs. So he says,

'But you can't calmly stand there and tell us all we're all going to die.'

'You are not going to die.'

'How are we going to survive?'

'By coming with us.'

'With you?'

'Yes, we are going to take you all back to Mondas.'

They are going to take the humans from Earth back to Mondas so they can survive, albeit as Cybermen because that's still apparently the only way they can live.

Are they a true villain? Their plan is to, uh, save people's lives? Are they human? Well, they have human brains, and interestingly, as an aside, in Spare Parts some Cybermen wonder if Commander Zheng's emotional inhibitor is working properly - so apparently some emotions can slip through? (It was working, by the way).

So, what are they and how should we (imaginatively) relate to them?

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Little Q&A:

Why have massive headlamps?


Their city is underground and headlamps are way more efficient than candles if certain situations arise.


What are those rings on their clothes?

Hydraulics. They have hydraulic limbs. No gym pass needed.


Why did they remove their emotions?


So they could deal with what they had done to themselves. They'd go crazy in their cage.


Has a spider tried to build a web on Krail's handlebars or something?

Looks like it.


Does cyberconversion hurt?

...Not anymore.


Can I watch it?

Yep. Part two introduces the Cybermen. Go to Dailymotion.



 
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Rival

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I think I have given up on men and marrying them. It seems impossible, to me, to find a man who will create the emotional connexion first and make-love to you later, once you really know him. I know not all men are this way; of course they're not. But are men aware how scary they are, how much women need to trust such large beings? They could rape us or kill us with their bare hands. More importantly, they can impregnate us and then leave, then we are blamed. It appears to me that notions of settling down are foreign to men 25 and younger.I understand that the financial situation helps this not at all. I'm just afraid to be another bedpost notch and feel used. Many women feel this way.

I must know him inside and out before I even think of marrying him (which is the only way he's going anywhere near my dungaree straps). There is, to me, no such thing as a short term relationship with a man. All relationships should be leading to a life together. Children. Old age. Twin graves. Boys are for playing with, sure, but not men.

Then there is the opposite problem of every man who I approach thinking I want him in bed. Why? Men have no concept of being friends with a woman? It seems so (science backs me) and this is foarte frustrating.

If I ever find I'm Jewish, I'll surely rejoice at the prospect of finding a religious bloke.

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@Sunstone
 
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Spiderman

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I think I have given up on men and marrying them. It seems impossible, to me, to find a man who will create the emotional connexion first and make-love to you later, once you really know him. I know not all men are this way; of course they're not. But are men aware how scary they are, how much women need to trust such large beings? They could rape us or kill us with their bare hands. More importantly, they can impregnate us and then leave, then we are blamed. It appears to me that notions of settling down are foreign to men 25 and younger.I understand that the financial situation helps this not at all. I'm just afraid to be another bedpost notch and feel used. Many women feel this way.

I must know him inside and out before I even think of marrying him (which is the only way he's going anywhere near my dungaree straps). There is, to me, no such thing as a short term relationship with a man. All relationships should be leading to a life together. Children. Old age. Twin graves. Boys are for playing with, sure, but not men.

Then there is the opposite problem of every man who I approach thinking I want him in bed. Why? Men have no concept of being friends with a woman? It seems so (science backs me) and this is foarte frustrating.

If I ever find I'm Jewish, I'll surely rejoice at the prospect of finding a religious bloke.

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@Sunstone
Yes, men can be quite sick. Choose G-d to be your spouse. For now anyways. Keep praying that God will send you the right man. Pray that you will know when you've met the right person.

I hope and pray that the best future is in store. Lord God, please enlighten rival to know when she has met the right man, please bring that man into her life. May she have the understanding necessary to make the right choices. Amen!
 

Rival

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It's a cold feeling, and a dull, but then sometimes sharp pain in the chest. Left arm dull pain, faint but present, certainly. Very sometimes in the back, but rare. Jaw. Recognisable things all, not surprising. Cold, cold. Sometimes slightly dull and sharp at the same time. Unable to describe. Pain in armpit left and chest at same time.
 
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Rival

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Poor heart, poor heart,
needs help to survive
it's so, so cold inside;
nothing's there.

Take deep breath now,
keep trying, can't,
get the satisfaction part,
keep trying, heart.

A quick pang now,
striking down the neck how
like electric dart thrown
straight into the nerve-zone.

Run, run, dying hart,
Take you a head start,
Whatever chases you
Will win soon.
But It's the taking part
that counts.
 
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Rival

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Now I know there's more to living on Mondas than just what appears. It truly is about survival in an environment that, perhaps while not actively trying to kill you, does it despite itself. One must realise that trying to change the environment is not an option any longer, but adapting oneself is a need now. The Mondasians did not just remove their emotions in order to deal with what we had become, but what the environment had become. What the outside world looks like, how it behaves and how we should best respond to it. We decided that pain, grief, misery, are not worth the struggle and the brokenness, when all around us collapses. We didn't want to feel it as it collapsed; we didn't want to feel it as our present became memories and our children inherited an ethereal silhouette of where we once lived.

We decided it was wroth it. No food stocks? OK, we won't eat. No sun? Fine, we'll adapt to the cold. No civilisation? Right, we won't miss it. We'll forget ourselves, our loves and our hatreds, because didn't these things help to destroy us in the first place? Not here on Mondas, but there on Earth, certainly. So we wiped colour, creed and sex; isn't that what you wanted? And when you realised you wanted it, we took your ability to regret it, too. So when your world crumbles to dust, there are no worries, no passions, just go find a new one. Maybe call it Kepler. A kepler is someone who makes cloaks and hoods; hoods, to hide oneself from what one has done; from others; from the here, from the now.


Hear your heartbeat in your ears; listen to it tick away your time. Or did they turn off the collective chimes and forget their mortality in a quest to eliminate it, thinking their machines will outlive their ideas? Even a mechanical heart can rust. Isn't your mortality your starting point for your passions and your quests, without which all rendered meaningless? Did your sciencemen tell you that they knew better than your writers and your artists? Did your universities place priority on STEM subjects, to the neglect of the humanities? I bet they said that science could, eventually, fix all the environmental problems; that the artists and writers were best left relegated to the galleries.That what we need is logic and mathematics; not feelings.

That's what the Mondasian sciencemen said, too.
 
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