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Elephant in the room - should a pope have a pet elephant?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by whirlingmerc, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. whirlingmerc

    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    Seems the pope in the time of Luther was given a pet elephant named Hanno and was quite attached to Hanno. Sadly Hanno was sickly and the popes doctors try as they may could not revive Hanno but gave Hanno gold to eat in the hopes of causing constipation and reviving poor Hanno... to no avail.... Hanna died.
    Pope Leo wrote a poetic eulogy, Rachael made a fresco all to Hanno.... but how does this bring Glorry to God compared to say, reforms and prayers of reformers like Luther at the time? Which is more glorifying

    quote from Wiki Hanno (the elephant)
    Under this great hill I lie buried

    Mighty elephant which the King Manuel
    Having conquered the Orient
    Sent as captive to Pope Leo X.
    At which the Roman people marvelled, --
    A beast not seen for a long time,
    And in my brutish breast they perceived human feelings.
    Fate envied me my residence in the blessed Latium
    And had not the patience to let me serve my master a full three years.
    But I wish, oh gods, that the time which Nature would have assigned to me,
    and Destiny stole away,
    You will add to the life of the great Leo.

    He lived seven years
    He died of angina
    He measured twelve palms in height.
    Giovanni Battista Branconio dell'Aquila
    Privy chamberlain to the pope
    And provost of the custody of the elephant,
    Has erected this in 1516, the 8th of June,
    In the fourth year of the pontificate of Leo X.

    That which Nature has stolen away
    Raphael of Urbino with his art has restored.
    unquote

    How does this monument glorify God and contrast with Luther

    “I thank you, my Heavenly Father, through Jesus Christ, Your dear Son, that You have kept me this night from all harm and danger; and I pray that You would keep me this day also from sin and every evil, that all my doings and life may please You. For into Your hands I commend myself, my body and soul, and all things. Let Your holy angel be with me, that the evil foe may have no power over me. Amen.”
     
  2. Tumah

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    I'm no Christian, but it seems to me that instead of comparing a negative trait about a pope with a positive trait of a reformer, you should compare two positive traits or two negative traits. So your post can look like something like this:

    Seems the pope in the time of Luther was given a pet elephant named Hanno and was quite attached to Hanno. Sadly Hanno was sickly and the popes doctors try as they may could not revive Hanno but gave Hanno gold to eat in the hopes of causing constipation and reviving poor Hanno... to no avail.... Hanna died.
    Pope Leo wrote a poetic eulogy, Rachael made a fresco all to Hanno.... but how does this bring Glorry to God compared to say, calls for the razing of synagogues and destroying of Jewish property from like Luther called for at the time? Which is more glorifying
     
  3. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    Anyone who has had a pet knows of the bond of love that can form. It's a positive thing.
     
  4. whirlingmerc

    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    Not excusing Luther for making mistakes but an apples to apples would not be pet to persecution
    it would be a comparison of the levels of persecution under the two sides
     
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    Disregarding your whitewashing Luther's antisemitism as a "mistake", some might say that comparing the pope's having a pet to a prayer Luther made, might just also not be a case of apples to apples.
     
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    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps. He also had various views in his life so one would need to compare the various views and how he stuck with those views and also consider the times as the Pope may have sounded anti semitic as well. Unlike the Pope Luther would not be considered infallible
     
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