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Featured Easter versus Passover? Which is of God? Which is of Satan?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Feb 26, 2018.

  1. pcarl

    pcarl Well-Known Member

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    Pinchas Lapide states in his book that the 'interval between the crucifixion of Good Friday afternoon until the dawn of Easter Sunday was hardly longer than one and a half days, has a biblical - Jewish reason. Only in the context of the Hebrew Bible does this expression of the apostles, which is certainly not meant literally, have its underlying significance for the history of salvation:
    "On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes..." Gen 22:4.
    "On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mountain..."Ex 19:16. Introduces the appearance of God on Mount Sinai.
    "On the third day Joseph said to them, "Do this and you will live" Gen 42:18
    "And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days" Jonah 1:17-before he was saved
    "On the third day Esther put on her royal robes" Esther 1:1 after which Israel was saved out of its bitter affliction.
    Hosea says it most clearly, "After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up" Hos 6:2. The Rabbis comment on this in the Midrash Rabba: "The Holy One, Blessed be his name, never lets the just stay in affliction longer than three days."
    "On the third day" has nothing to do with the date or with the counting of time but contains for ears which are educated biblically a clear reference to God's mercy and grace which is revealed after two days of affliction and death by way of redemption.

    Lapide is an interesting read. He believes Jesus' Resurrection to be an historical event, does not believe Jesus to be the Messiah.

    https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Jesus-Jewish-Perspective/dp/157910908X#reader_157910908X
     
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  2. Prestor John

    Prestor John Well-Known Member

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    Neither are of Satan. There is nothing wrong with celebrating either one.

    Both are celebrations of God's mercy and grace extended towards all of Mankind.
     
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    Neither are of Satan. There is nothing wrong with celebrating either one.

    Both are celebrations of God's mercy and grace extended towards all of Mankind.
     
  4. 2ndpillar

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    Passover was the 14th of Nissan, not the Feast of the pagan god Astarte, the queen of heaven. There was no "sign of the cross" on the "lintels", it was the "blood" of an unblemished lamb. The "sign of the cross" is the sign of the "beast", given to him by the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4), and the "dragons" son, the false prophet Paul, who were to "deceive" those "who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14).
     
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    I think a lesson will be learned regarding those with the mark of the beast, when those so marked, will drink the wine of the "wrath of God" (Revelation 14:9-10). While those who sin in ignorance, will probably fare better than those who were warned, unfortunately, you have been notified. As for "all mankind", which is a bit too broad, those who are liars, etc., will not do well (Revelation 22:15), and those "nations where I have scatter you (Jacob)", "I will destroy completely" (Jeremiah 30:11). As for the nations in general He will "smite the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron, and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God the Almighty." (Revelation 19:15).
     
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    Prestor John Well-Known Member

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    None of what you have shared nullifies that fact that God has extended both mercy and grace to all Mankind.

    The Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ and His subsequent Resurrection are a gift to all that none will be denied.

    You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
     
  7. 2ndpillar

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    You apparently like swallowing leaven (the hypocrisy of the Pharisee of Pharisees), and have an aversion to "good seed". Satan, and his son, Paul, both promise that "you surely shall not die" if you dismiss the Commandments of God, yet the path of both lead the "many" to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). Now as far as your path, whatever it is, it is probably too late to change it, for Yeshua said in Revelation 22:11, that those "who do wrong, still do wrong". Plus he said, "Seek the LORD while he may be found". (Isaiah 56:5-7) You have seemed to have forgotten to "forsake" your "wicked ways", and think you are "saved" by following the leaven of the Pharisee. The nations/Gentiles were given an opportunity to produce "good fruit", but apparently, they have chosen the "broad" "way", which requires that no "good fruit" be produced. (Mt 7:13).

    Isaiah 56:5 "Behold, you will call a nation you do not know, And a nation which knows you not will run to you, Because of the LORD your God, even the Holy One of Israel; For He has glorified you." 6Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near. 7Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.…
     
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    You have not been called to be a Judge in Israel. You do not speak with authority.

    Paul was an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ. A true and worthy servant of God.

    There is no room in my joy in Christ for your back biting.

    You will never find peace as long as you keep that beam in your eye.

    God bless.
     
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    You will be judged, but by "My words" (John 12:47). Good luck with that one.

    John 12:47 As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
     
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    Easter - Ishtar ...
    Bunnies - well known for their prolific breeding ...
    Eggs - symbol of fertility ...
    Easter apparently might come from Ishtar fertility ritual. However it's no big deal in my opinion unless people do it as Ishtar worship; then that's wrong. Otherwise they're glorifying Christ and His resurrection(even if with ignorant bunny rabbit Easter egg nonsense). Therefore I don't mind it so much. Same with Christmas ... I believe it's a time of year when people actually do good deeds and are nice to each other. This is "good fruit" and a tree is known by it's fruit as Christ taught. However, this doesn't mean I'm not aware of the pagan origins of December 25th holiday. I just don't care really about any of it. If people want to celebrate these days okay. If not, okay. Just go with your own conscience on these matters.

    Anyway, the Passover has already come if you believe Jesus is the passover then that's final. Either you have the blood applied or not. Peter was one of the twelve apostles. You know that John saw the new Jerusalem and the 12 foundations of the city are the 12 apostles?
     
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    Huh? Who mentioned Astarte? I'm a follower of the Jewish Mashiach.

    The blood on the post and lintels, with the basin below, has the least blood where Christ's head and wrists were pierced, and the most blood at His feet, where the blood ran.

    The beast is Europe--the woman who rides the beast = Europa. The dragon is devouring the 12 tribes of Jewish people and tries to devour the Christians after, this has nothing to do with Paul.
     
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    Easter is observed on the pagan festival of Ishtar/Astarte, the queen of heaven/mother of god. It has nothing to do with Passover.

    There are no 12 tribes of Jewish people. Jew is a term referring to Judah. The house of Judah and the house of Israel have been separated a long long time. The “house of Judah” (Jeremiah 31:31), the Jews, refer to the tribe of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The “house of Israel” remains “scattered among the nations” (Ezekiel 36:24-27).

    The “beast” of Revelation 13:1, has 7 heads and 10 horns, and the heads have blasphemous names, and only 4 of those heads refer to the kingdom of Rome, which would include Western Europe. As for Pharisee Paul, he is simply the “false prophet”, who was to help the 7th head of the beast to “deceive” “those who dwell on the earth” (Revelation 13:14), and to help a “daughter of Babylon” (Zech 2:7), the Roman church, to wear down the saints of the Highest one”(Daniel 7:25). In the present, Paul's demon spirit, the spirit of the false prophet, is being used to gather the kings of the whole world to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-16). That location is somewhat north of Jerusalem. One of their goals would be to "wipe out" the "nation" of "Israel" (Psalms 83) & (Zechariah 14:1-3).
     
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    Passover, is the Preparation Day, for the passing over of the angel of death. The "awesome day of the LORD" will be a day of the passing over of 7 angels of death (Revelation 8:2), and like in Egypt, there will be those who "escape" (Joel 2:31-32).

    As for Peter, he would be the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17, who would not feed, care, or heal the sheep, but none the less, he fulfilled his requirements as stated in Scripture. As the Roman church was built on Peter, he would be a foundation stone of sandstone, and when the winds, rains, and floods come, the house built on him, and not built on the "tested stone" (Isaiah 28:16), will "fall" (Matthew 7:27) & (Isaiah 22:25).
     
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    A neat piece of writing. Why do you think 'this expression', "the third day", 'is certainly not meant literally' while you correctly claim that it has 'its underlying significance for the history of salvation'. To be 'history', "the third day" must be 'meant literally', 'certainly'!
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    That's a very good point that I haven't thought of before.

    In early Jewish tradition, some numbers were considered "holy" (good), and 3 was one of them as well as 7, 10, 12, and 40. 1000 was interpreted as being "great numbers" as it used to be the highest number [anything higher had to combine numbers].
     
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    There is a difference in how we define 'literally'. The literal truth contained in the three day motif is as Lapide explained it and as the Sacred Writers used it from the same sources, Hebrew Scripture.
    Their purpose was not to give a chronological history, but a faith history. The Resurrection is first and foremost what God did for Jesus, he vindicated him.
     
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    The term the "third day" is taken from Hosea 6:2, whereas "He will revive us", with the us being Judah and Ephraim/Israel, and the "third day" referring to "after two days", or 2000 years, the around 2700 years that Judah and Ephraim have been "crushed in judgment " (Hosea 5:11). They being "My people". (Jeremiah 30:3) It is "Jacob" who "will be saved from it" (Jeremiah 30:7). "For I will destroy completely all the nations/Gentiles where I have scattered you" (Jeremiah 30:11).


    New American Standard Bible Jeremiah 30:3
    'For behold, days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will restore the fortunes of My people Israel and Judah.' The LORD says, 'I will also bring them back to the land that I gave to their forefathers and they shall possess it.'"
     
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    Interesting. There are 10 Commandments, Moses wandered the desert for 40 years, there were 12 tribes, Jesus tempted 40 days, had 12 disciples, the Church has 7 sacraments etc.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    And this is why some numbers in scripture one may have to take with a grain of salt, such as the "144,000" mentioned in Revelation, which couldn't be written that way but may have been written as twelve-twelves-thousands (good upon good and in great numbers).
     
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