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Featured Drinking Poison

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Cherub786, Jul 23, 2020.

  1. Cherub786

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    باسمك اللهم

    "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:17-18)

    Our Muslim scholar, Shaykh Asrar Rashid, recently had a debate with two Christians. During that debate, he challenged them to perform these signs mentioned in the passage I quoted. One of them responded that this passage is an interpolation, not found in the earliest manuscripts, and thus unintentionally handed the Shaykh a victory in the debate, that the Bible has been corrupted and not the Holy Quran. The other Christian, however, a lady who could not speak English very well (the Shaykh challenged her to speak in "new tongues"), countered by challenging him to drink poison. Without hesitation, he picked up the rat poison he had purchased intending to give it to the Christians to drink as part of the challenge mentioned in Mark, and drank it himself!
    Startlingly, he was not at all harmed, demonstrating the manifest power of his faith and his Religion.

    The Christians were dumbfounded. Here is the clip from that debate:

     
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    jesus didn't drink poison, or talk in foreign tongues. and a dose of rat poison is for a rat and not a person.


    I had a dog eat a half a gallon bucket of tom kat rat poison. his fecal matter was a greenish blue the next day. didn't die. didn't even seem to get sick. he ate like normal the next day. the dog was a border collie.
     
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  3. Thief

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    well.....was it strychnine?

    did he survive?

    takes about three hours to die
     
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    I did not know this was in the Scriptures. Nice to read this.

    I follow Sanathana Dharma, and spend 10 years with my Master Sai Baba. He told me to drink so much poison. First I was scared, but then I thought, okay, the worst that can happen is that I die. That's not too bad, so I drank the poison, and nothing happened. So, I believe this is all true.

    A friend of mine, also a follower of Sai Baba, once laid his hands on a lady in a wheel chair, and she stood up. So this is also true. And when I was in India with thousands of mosquitos I was not bitten. I also had huge scorpions and cobras coming to me, but not harming me

    Once my neighbor who is a Christian fell of a horse and broke her back. A christian healer came to our village, and I told her "Go there, you will be cured". But she did not believe this. But I kept on telling her, till she finally went. She got cured in 1 second.

    Wonderful to experience all these things. God is Great. But don't forget, it's all God's Grace. After many years God told me "IF you drink this, I must take it out". I was not aware God had to take it out, so then I decided to stop drinking poison. Of course God can handle it, but I felt a bit bad, that I did this all to God.

    Namaste
     
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    In my understanding the Muslim had his faith strong enough to not be harmed by the poison :)I have heard about this in other situations too, where the believer was unharmed because of the faith and of his religious practice was good enough to be able to withstand the poison.
     
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    Yes he survived, and yes it was real poison. Not only did he survive, he never felt any pain or sickness. As you can see in the video, he drank a good amount of the poison.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I would never challenge anyone to drink poison.
     
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    While the Christian Scripture states that among the signs that will be displayed by those who believe is that they shall drink poison and it shall not harm them, Islam teaches that this is not a necessary sign of Faith, nevertheless, those individuals with a high degree of faith may drink poison as a demonstration of the veracity of our Religion and the truth of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم

    So it is mentioned in our books of history and Hadith that one of the great companions of the Prophet, a man named Khalid bin Walid رضى الله عنه, whom the Prophet named "Sword of God", drank some poison for this purpose. Before he drank it, he made this supplication:

    بسم الله وبالله رب الأرض ورب السماء الذي لا يضر مع اسمه داء
    "In the Name of Allah, and by Allah, Lord of Earth and Lord of Heaven, in Whose Name no deadly thing or illness can cause harm"

    And miraculously he was not harmed.

    So while Christians may debate on the scripture in Mark, whether or not it is genuine, and they may debate on the subject of cessationism, whether the gifts of the Holy Spirit like prophesy and speaking in tongues continue after the apostolic age, our Religion rejects cessationism, and our Shaykh, Asrar Rashid, revived the practice of Khalid bin Walid.
     
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    good for him

    but can he walk on water and raise the dead?
     
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    neither did He baptize

    His followers did
     
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    and the Carpenter did warn against asking for a sign

    that no sign would be given
     
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    oh but he did baptize. he immersed the followers in mind games, or spiritual warfare. trial by fire.


     
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    oh yeah....He did mention a baptism by fire

    I don't think He meant it literally
    another metaphor
     
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    john the baptist mentioned it. one washes the exoteric, the other esoteric


     
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    He is not doing it. It's all Grace of God
     
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    did you know.....Harrison got sued for that tune
    and lost

    turns out the music in script is damn close to.....He's So Fine
    by the Chiffons
     
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    Arguing about the literal interpretation of a piece of scripture? Meh. The Quran says that the state of Israel exists by the will of Allah and as a sign of the end times. So any who oppose Israel are opposing the will of Allah. (17:104)

    As to that section of the Bible - it's disputed whether or not it should even be there Perhaps most importantly, these verses are not even in the best New Testament manuscripts. We have in fact two questionable endings to Mark. One is a longer one (vv. 9-20) and one is quite short. Neither seems to be part of Mark’s original gospel.

    And even if it's there, arguing about literalism might be fun for scholars who are debating other literalists, but that has no attraction for me.

    (Want to argue about 17:104 in the Quran? Surah Al-Isra [17:104] )
     
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    It wasnt real if he was just fine.
     
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    Take it to James Randi. So we can actually see the ingredients.
     
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    Two questions come to mind.

    1) Who verified that what he drank was actually poison?

    2) Are you aware that by taking small doses of a poison over long period of time that people can develop a tolerance for said poison?

    A far more convincing demonstration would be if he were to drink some kind of a deadly poison that someone else provided.
     
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