Double-blind Prayer Efficacy Test -- Really?

[Sheldon]

Yes you are right, maybe. I need to relax - it's probably about 4th graders having oral together.

There is no maybe about it, the claim you peddled was a lie, propagated by right wing religious extremists, pursuing an agenda of homophobia.

Big issue then - do we add child fellatio to our 'sex education' or is it already in there ???????

That depends if you want to reduce std's, and unwanted pregnancies and abortions, if you do then sec education that is accurate honest and timely has been shown to be the best method for achieving this. Religious based abstinence training has been demonstrated to the least efficacious, in some instances rates of std's and unwanted were pregnancies were higher using this method, than doing nothing.

ps you denied this work even existed yesterday.

It didn't in the way you claimed, and since you failed to offer a citation until now, quelle surprise, disbelieving your latest unevidenced and disjointed rant was definitely prudent, and it turned out to be justified, since the claim you peddled turned out to be entirely false. YET AGAIN!

 

[Sheldon]

Yes, most of the world is 'bigotted', including most of the third world and Asia.
Women are women, men are men. Homosexuals don't get married. Men can't be dead-beat dads. Broken homes are bad news. You don't marry the government. You don't give money for nothing.

And while you call them 'bigots' what are they calling you?

I have called them nothing, I don't even have a clue who you're referring to, and that disjointed rant is pure gibberish?

Yet again what specific point you're attempting to make is baffling?

While you have a minute maybe you can now explain what you think is wrong with gay people, or gay people getting married?

 

[Sheldon]

Yes you are right. It's about school boys and fellatio - in school books. That makes it ok.
But why can't a man help out here? I mean, anything goes.

Maybe you think paedohilia is ok, but I certainly do not. This book was explaining a gay man's own experiences has an adolescent, and the book has been widely lauded for it's themes in attacking homophobic bigotry and racism. What is your major objection here, and why?

 

[Sheldon]

This is Orwell stuff. We turn everything on its head.

Well that seems to neatly sum up the majority of your posts for me.

So kids having fellatio, or doing drugs, whatever, isn't the problem - it's the Catholic Church!

Who mentioned kids doing drugs, who claimed kids performing fellatio was ok? You're back to making stuff up again. We have one author, describing his own experiences as an adolescent. Which you relentlessly mispresented as paedophiliac, and still haven't the integrity to recant.

The Catholic church has been responsible for endemic child abuse by its priests, and of complicity in covering it up, and enabling it to continue happening, you may think that's not a problem, but I certainly do.

This church is disgusting, why?

Their behaviour in protecting and enabling endemic child abuse is a disgusting abuse of power yes, are you seriously disagreeing? Perhaps you think protecting paedohiles, and an enabling them to carry on raping children is fine then?

 

[PruePhillip]

Their behaviour in protecting and enabling endemic child abuse is a disgusting abuse of power yes, are you seriously disagreeing? Perhaps you think protecting paedohiles, and an enabling them to carry on raping children is fine then?

Here's the thing. Some will say they don't attend mass anymore because some priests were guilty of child abuse.
So instead of dealing with the priest they stop being religious.
That's an excuse.
There's tons of good priests (IF you believe there are priests in Chrstianity, that is, but that's another matter)
Graphs showing decling attendance of the Roman Catholic Church reveal a slow descent since about 1900 - there's no 'blip' or skew or deflection in this graph for the time when child abuse was widely covered by the media. So when someone says, 'I stopping attending church because I read about some priests.....' then don't believe it. These people have left their faith and gone out into a world just as bad as the suspect priest.

 

[PruePhillip]

Maybe you think paedohilia is ok, but I certainly do not. This book was explaining a gay man's own experiences has an adolescent, and the book has been widely lauded for it's themes in attacking homophobic bigotry and racism. What is your major objection here, and why?

'Widely lauded' is interesting.
You could go to jail for this stuff two or three generations ago, earlier still it was the death penalty.



We need more books like below....

How we killed grandma.
How I overcame the bigotry against heroin.
Why do my marriage choices lead to people calling me a 'Deadbeat Dad' ?
Petty theft isn't really stealing anymore at Cosco as it's only a felony
How we burned down a Walmart store to defend Black Lives Matter
How to fake your age to play in a casino.

Actually, I think these themes would fit in well with liberal schools. Gives kids bedrock values.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Their behaviour in protecting and enabling endemic child abuse is a disgusting abuse of power yes, are you seriously disagreeing? Perhaps you think protecting paedohiles, and an enabling them to carry on raping children is fine then?

Here's the thing....

The thing was utterly irrelevant and didn't remotely address my question, I don't care about your rhetoric on church attendance. I ask again, since you ignored both questions:

1. Their behaviour in protecting and enabling endemic child abuse is a disgusting abuse of power yes, are you seriously disagreeing?

2. Perhaps you think protecting paedohiles, and an enabling them to carry on raping children is fine then?

 

[Sheldon]

Who mentioned kids doing drugs, who claimed kids performing fellatio was ok? You're back to making stuff up again. We have one author, describing his own experiences as an adolescent. Which you relentlessly mispresented as paedophiliac, and still haven't the integrity to recant.

@PruePhillip, you seemed to have ignored this as well. You just relentlessly make up claims, then ignore all requests to offer anything to support them, or justify using them when they have been demonstrated to be false right wing propaganda lies, as was the case here.

 

[PruePhillip]

The thing was utterly irrelevant and didn't remotely address my question, I don't care about your rhetoric on church attendance. I ask again, since you ignored both questions:

1. Their behaviour in protecting and enabling endemic child abuse is a disgusting abuse of power yes, are you seriously disagreeing?

2. Perhaps you think protecting paedohiles, and an enabling them to carry on raping children is fine then?

How did I 'protect' pedophiles?
You ok with the SEXUALIZATION of an entire generation of young children?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How did I 'protect' pedophiles?
You ok with the SEXUALIZATION of an entire generation of young children?

What is your denomination of Christianity? He might be able to give you a specific answer.

EDIT: Oh wait, you are Catholic? The @Sheldon is correct.

 

[PruePhillip]

What is your denomination of Christianity? He might be able to give you a specific answer.

EDIT: Oh wait, you are Catholic? The @Sheldon is correct.

Catholic? I don't belong to any denomination, let alone Roman Catholic which is so archaic in its pagan, non-scriptural beliefs.
But I understand where Roman Catholicism comes from - it's being attacked by progressives.
Christians have certainties about life. Progressive thought has no certainties - it not only promotes these ever changing values, but IMPOSES them on people who believe in certainties.
As Roger Scuton puts it, if you haven't any faith it's easy to adapt to new values, but faith gives you certainties, and you can't adapt without overthrowing your faith.
Roger Scruton: How Modern Culture is Degenerating - YouTube

 

[Subduction Zone]

Catholic? I don't belong to any denomination, let alone Roman Catholic which is so archaic in its pagan, non-scriptural beliefs.
But I understand where Roman Catholicism comes from - it's being attacked by progressives.
Christians have certainties about life. Progressive thought has no certainties - it not only promotes these ever changing values, but IMPOSES them on people who believe in certainties.
As Roger Scuton puts it, if you haven't any faith it's easy to adapt to new values, but faith gives you certainties, and you can't adapt without overthrowing your faith.
Roger Scruton: How Modern Culture is Degenerating - YouTube

No, the Catholics are being attacked by those that are against child molestation. You know what that is, remember your false claims about an event that was not child molestation?

By the way, many of the old values were simply wrong. I know that you like them, but they were very immoral. Like it or not the new values tend to beat yours almost all of the time.

 

[PruePhillip]

No, the Catholics are being attacked by those that are against child molestation. You know what that is, remember your false claims about an event that was not child molestation?

By the way, many of the old values were simply wrong. I know that you like them, but they were very immoral. Like it or not the new values tend to beat yours almost all of the time.

Yes, child molestation. So now there's strict rules - society in the past did not impose such rules upon institutions, or didn't wan their institutions besmirched (scouts, teaching and other child related professions)
So with strict rules, would be ok with Catholicism?
What would you say if you found many gays abuse boys? Would you ban gays?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, child molestation. So now there's strict rules - society in the past did not impose such rules upon institutions, or didn't wan their institutions besmirched (scouts, teaching and other child related professions)
So with strict rules, would be ok with Catholicism?
What would you say if you found many gays abuse boys? Would you ban gays?

I would have a problem if many gays abuse boys. But do you know who knows that is not a fact? Ironically the Catholic Church knows that gay men do not tend to abuse boys.

 

[PruePhillip]

I would have a problem if many gays abuse boys. But do you know who knows that is not a fact? Ironically the Catholic Church knows that gay men do not tend to abuse boys.

Gays like boys too. If you were gay then being in the Catholic Church was a way to gain access to them.
So who is more at fault - gay culture of the Roman Catholic Church? Funny how we say 'pedophile priest' and not 'gay priest.'

If I may, an interestin story that makes a point - a soldier told me his fellow soldiers saw two men committing sodomy. They pulled up their army truck, beat up the men and took them into a local police station (back in the 1960's I think) Now if you are gay and want to committ gay-type-things then the army is not the best place for you, nor the police - you go into a caring institution such as a church, orphanage, mental health home, scouts etc..But homosexuals targeting your institution doesn't necessarily mean the institution is corrupt.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Gays like boys too. If you were gay then being in the Catholic Church was a way to gain access to them.
So who is more at fault - gay culture of the Roman Catholic Church? Funny how we say 'pedophile priest' and not 'gay priest.'

Really? Do you have evidence for that or is this just more hate on your part? I am serious. In the US after they go into so much trouble for Priests buggering boys they put their food down. .A study was done and it found that gay men are no more likely to be pedophiles than straight men:

A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States, National Review Board, February 27, 2004

If I may, an interestin story that makes a point - a soldier told me his fellow soldiers saw two men committing sodomy. They pulled up their army truck, beat up the men and took them into a local police station (back in the 1960's I think) Now if you are gay and want to committ gay-type-things then the army is not the best place for you, nor the police - you go into a caring institution such as a church, orphanage, mental health home, scouts etc..But homosexuals targeting your institution doesn't necessarily mean the institution is corrupt.

Wow! So now you are saying that the army was incredibly immoral and worse yet there are quite a few latent homosexuals in it. The people that beat up the gay men having sex were probably gay themselves. Homophobia is often an outburst due to one's own homosexual desires.

Oh oh ......

 

[PruePhillip]

Wow! So now you are saying that the army was incredibly immoral and worse yet there are quite a few latent homosexuals in it. The people that beat up the gay men having sex were probably gay themselves. Homophobia is often an outburst due to one's own homosexual desires.

Agreed. I wasn't saying these particular soldiers were 'immoral' but the gays were - buggery was illegal at the time so they were breaking the law.
SOME so-called 'homophobes' could be latent homosexuals, but you can't tar everyone with the same brush.
As an aside, the term 'homophobe' is wholy a political contrivance, just like that classic 'female genital mutilation' instead of 'circumscision.'
What would you think if conservative people managed to control the culture and gave us these terms:

'Unborn baby murder' instead of 'abortion' or 'pro-choice'
'Castration' instead of 'puberty blockers'
'Sodomizers' and 'buggery' instead of 'gay'

You see the subtle shifts - now it's 'recreational drugs' or 'drug prohibition' to associate the war on drugs with 1920's alcohol restrictions.
In Australia you can't say ' handicapped' anymore, it's 'disability'
Soon you won't be able to say 'third world' which replaced 'poor country'

 

[PruePhillip]

I would have a problem if many gays abuse boys. But do you know who knows that is not a fact? Ironically the Catholic Church knows that gay men do not tend to abuse boys.

You might be correct,but it seems odd that a man in a religious order would want to sodomize or perform fellatio on a boy if he wasn't gay.
I know many gays who find the younger the man, the better.
Stands to reason - heretosexuals feel the same about the opposite sex.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
The thing was utterly irrelevant and didn't remotely address my question, I don't care about your rhetoric on church attendance. I ask again, since you ignored both questions:

1. Their behaviour in protecting and enabling endemic child abuse is a disgusting abuse of power yes, are you seriously disagreeing?

2. Perhaps you think protecting paedohiles, and an enabling them to carry on raping children is fine then?

How did I 'protect' pedophiles?
You ok with the SEXUALIZATION of an entire generation of young children?

I never claimed you had protected anything, try reading the exchange again, as it was pretty obvious I was referring to the RCC.

You ok with the SEXUALIZATION of an entire generation of young children?

That depends, what generation of children is this, how old are they, what is the justification being offered, what exactly do you mean by sexualisation? Only I suspect this is simply more of your vapid right wing sophistry and hyperbole.

Now one more time then:

1. The RCC's behaviour in protecting and enabling endemic child abuse is a disgusting abuse of power yes, are you seriously disagreeing?

2. Perhaps you think protecting paedohiles, and an enabling them to carry on raping children is fine then?

Since you earlier dismissed the fact that the RCC was culpable for these appalling crimes. You seem reluctant to answer, I wonder why.

 

[Sheldon]

I understand where Roman Catholicism comes from - it's being attacked by progressives.

Irrelevant, my attack as you put it was very specific, unless you think objecting to endemic child abuse, and the church's criminal and immoral actions in not only covering it up, but moving guilty priests around to rape more children with impunity, then refusing to properly cooperate with a coordinated criminal investigation, is being progressive?

Do you consider the actions of the Catholic church as described here was an appalling and immoral abuse of power? Or are you trying to deny these facts happened?