Aberamentho
Gnosis
I am uncertain how many people are familiar with this tale that is known to students of Medieval Judaism/Islam or Ottoman history.
But in the middle of the 17th century a false messiah named Sabbatai(Saturn in English) Svi emerged in Islambul, Ottoman Empire, which absorbed the expelled from Spain Jews when Muslim Spain was brutally laid waste to by Europe, total ethnic cleansing of the culture that had made Spain the jewel of Europe and the Jews who also helped make it great. Whoever managed to escape was lucky to be given sanctuary by the Ottoman Empire.
But the declaration that he was the "Messiah" to the Sultan, was not a wise decision and he was already known for his heretical sect of Kabbalists that practiced a 180° form of Mosaic law. "Thou shalt not" became "Thou shall" and so on. Originally they thought by draining the evil from the Universe through mass sin would the Messiah be "forced" to arrive.
Or in the words of Isaiah Tishby: " They turned it inside out in their attempts to find support for all kinds of heretical opinions that arose and flourished in the life of the sect. The necessity for, and the religious role of, apostasy on the part of the messiah, and indeed the Jewish masses, the denial of the authority of the practical mizvot, the condoning of licentiousness, and the transforming of licentious practices into religous duties, the deification of the messiah, and the belief in the incarnation of God in the body of the messiah.
Orthodox Jewish Rabbis are known to say after the name Sabbatai Svi, "May his bones be ground to dust."
I can't say I blame them or the Sultan who imprisoned Svi for seditious activity and told him if he was the messiah certainly he could not be killed because God would not allow that to happen, a rational proposal was given him, he could test his own claim to being the messiah and if God saved him he would be declared the Messiah but if he died he died. Or he could become a Muslim.
To the disappointment of many of his loyal followers he chose to don a turban and take Shahada.
To the disappointment of Muslims in Turkey today so did many of his followers who interpreted it as a part of his master plan.
I say this because the "Donmeh" or converts, from Sabbateanism, never converted in truth and remained secret Sabbateans.
After the demise of the Ottoman Empire a Donmeh named Kamal Ataturk founded "The secular Republic of Turkey." Effectivelybanishing religion to inside the Mosques and Churches, Synogogues in Turkey. This is not the doing of a Muslim who believes that the way of doing things that works for Muslim countries, and it worked for everyone not just Muslims, is the way a predominantly Muslim country should be governed, by Islam, Sharia, with freedom of religion and no need for secularism.
No Muslim would call a Muslim governed country a "Secular Republic" or make it one. But a Donmeh false convert loyal to Sabbatai Svi and allegedly a descendant of that pseudo-messiah who led the Jews astray...would. Ataturk did and was, respectively.
I make this thread because I hear concerned people, unaware, blaming Islam for the absence of a large Christian population in Turkey.
"Secular Republic of Turkey", as it is officially known (as of at least a week ago, I could be wrong today which is irrelevant to this thread anyway)...
Is NOT a "Muslim nation" is NOT governed by Islam. Islam is actually a persecuted religion as are any in the "Secular Republic." There are mostly Muslims in Turkey because it's their ancestral home and for other reasons.
But Israel has more influence in the government of Turkey than Islam does, and they have a lot of it too.
Sabbateans in Europe would later plague the RCC at the direction of Jacob Frank, who claimed to be Svi reincarnated and is a person everyone should learn about. Good luck finding a biography about him, they are out of print and expensive if found at all.
You will find many Sabbatean-Frankists in America in that ever so satanic industry called Hollywood and the media, its inbred cousin.
Donmeh Turkey is a Masonic-Zionist outpost and that is all I want to say about that. Feel free to take that last statement as my personal conclusion.
Everything prior is actual history and can be discussed as such, and is not meant to be debated as it is documented by many authors, Jews condemning Svi especially, and Ataturk being Donmeh is also not a secret by any means. There is an entire website dedicated to it called, derogatorily (like that helps) "Atajew".com. Far from the only source of information on the matter it is informative despite its silly, albeit accurate, domain name.
But in the middle of the 17th century a false messiah named Sabbatai(Saturn in English) Svi emerged in Islambul, Ottoman Empire, which absorbed the expelled from Spain Jews when Muslim Spain was brutally laid waste to by Europe, total ethnic cleansing of the culture that had made Spain the jewel of Europe and the Jews who also helped make it great. Whoever managed to escape was lucky to be given sanctuary by the Ottoman Empire.
But the declaration that he was the "Messiah" to the Sultan, was not a wise decision and he was already known for his heretical sect of Kabbalists that practiced a 180° form of Mosaic law. "Thou shalt not" became "Thou shall" and so on. Originally they thought by draining the evil from the Universe through mass sin would the Messiah be "forced" to arrive.
Or in the words of Isaiah Tishby: " They turned it inside out in their attempts to find support for all kinds of heretical opinions that arose and flourished in the life of the sect. The necessity for, and the religious role of, apostasy on the part of the messiah, and indeed the Jewish masses, the denial of the authority of the practical mizvot, the condoning of licentiousness, and the transforming of licentious practices into religous duties, the deification of the messiah, and the belief in the incarnation of God in the body of the messiah.
Orthodox Jewish Rabbis are known to say after the name Sabbatai Svi, "May his bones be ground to dust."
I can't say I blame them or the Sultan who imprisoned Svi for seditious activity and told him if he was the messiah certainly he could not be killed because God would not allow that to happen, a rational proposal was given him, he could test his own claim to being the messiah and if God saved him he would be declared the Messiah but if he died he died. Or he could become a Muslim.
To the disappointment of many of his loyal followers he chose to don a turban and take Shahada.
To the disappointment of Muslims in Turkey today so did many of his followers who interpreted it as a part of his master plan.
I say this because the "Donmeh" or converts, from Sabbateanism, never converted in truth and remained secret Sabbateans.
After the demise of the Ottoman Empire a Donmeh named Kamal Ataturk founded "The secular Republic of Turkey." Effectivelybanishing religion to inside the Mosques and Churches, Synogogues in Turkey. This is not the doing of a Muslim who believes that the way of doing things that works for Muslim countries, and it worked for everyone not just Muslims, is the way a predominantly Muslim country should be governed, by Islam, Sharia, with freedom of religion and no need for secularism.
No Muslim would call a Muslim governed country a "Secular Republic" or make it one. But a Donmeh false convert loyal to Sabbatai Svi and allegedly a descendant of that pseudo-messiah who led the Jews astray...would. Ataturk did and was, respectively.
I make this thread because I hear concerned people, unaware, blaming Islam for the absence of a large Christian population in Turkey.
"Secular Republic of Turkey", as it is officially known (as of at least a week ago, I could be wrong today which is irrelevant to this thread anyway)...
Is NOT a "Muslim nation" is NOT governed by Islam. Islam is actually a persecuted religion as are any in the "Secular Republic." There are mostly Muslims in Turkey because it's their ancestral home and for other reasons.
But Israel has more influence in the government of Turkey than Islam does, and they have a lot of it too.
Sabbateans in Europe would later plague the RCC at the direction of Jacob Frank, who claimed to be Svi reincarnated and is a person everyone should learn about. Good luck finding a biography about him, they are out of print and expensive if found at all.
You will find many Sabbatean-Frankists in America in that ever so satanic industry called Hollywood and the media, its inbred cousin.
Donmeh Turkey is a Masonic-Zionist outpost and that is all I want to say about that. Feel free to take that last statement as my personal conclusion.
Everything prior is actual history and can be discussed as such, and is not meant to be debated as it is documented by many authors, Jews condemning Svi especially, and Ataturk being Donmeh is also not a secret by any means. There is an entire website dedicated to it called, derogatorily (like that helps) "Atajew".com. Far from the only source of information on the matter it is informative despite its silly, albeit accurate, domain name.
Last edited:
