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Does The Koran Teach "Kill The Infidels"

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by roli, Feb 16, 2008.

  1. roli

    roli Born Again,Spirit Filled

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    Are there verses that instruct Muslims to kill the infidels?

    Who Are The Infidels?

    What Are You Promised if you kill the infidels ?

    Do you go to paradise if you don't carry out this command ?
     
  2. Don Penguinoini

    Don Penguinoini Modi.

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    So i hear

    You and i

    Lotta virgins

    I would guess so.
     
  3. Popeyesays

    Popeyesays New Member

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    The infidels involved were those who entered into peace treaties and alliances with Muhammed and His peoples and THEN broke those agreements, treaties and alliances to attack Muhammed and His followers. In each and every case there is the admonishment to hold to all agreements when the "infidels" keep them.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  4. Ephramsdaughter

    Ephramsdaughter Kiwi Latter-day Saint

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    Today the extremists include everybody who does not accept Islam!
     
  5. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli Premium Member

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    I do believe that I will wait for at least one MUSLIM to answer...
     
  6. wednesday

    wednesday Jesus

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    Christians also used to teach that the path to God was to destroy infidels (Muslims) so its not only extremist muslims, but in history Christians.
    I was told that "killing infidels"was a biblical misinterpretation? Please correct me if im wrong.
     
  7. MFaraz_Hayat

    MFaraz_Hayat New Member

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    visit this link: Faq on Islam
    Check Question and Answer no. 3.These answer your question
     
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  8. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]




    Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]


    the answer is no of couse not -----only in war
     
  9. MFaraz_Hayat

    MFaraz_Hayat New Member

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    I think you forgot to paste rest of the stuff:
    Question:
    Doesn’t Islam promote violence, bloodshed and brutality since the Qur’an says that Muslims should kill the kuffar where ever they find them?
    Answer:
    A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.
    1. Verse from Surah TaubahThe following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:
    "Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]

    2. Context of verse is during battlefieldCritics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:
    "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]

    This verse is quoted during a battle.
    3. Example of war between America and VietnamWe know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.
    4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle
    Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.
    5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.
    6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:
    "If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."
    [Al-Qur’an 9:6]

    The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

    READ THE WHOLE THING.
     
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  10. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    the answer is no of course not ---only in war except if they want to be convert to islam
     
  11. Francine

    Francine New Member

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    Islam is at war with all the unbelievers until they become Muslim.
     
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  12. MFaraz_Hayat

    MFaraz_Hayat New Member

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    And, what source are you supposed to be quoting????
    [FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1]
    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. {Quran 2:256}

    [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=-1]Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them. {Quran 6:107}[/SIZE]
    [FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][/FONT]
     
  13. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    that holds as much water as saying christians are not violent because jesus said turn the other cheek
     
  14. MFaraz_Hayat

    MFaraz_Hayat New Member

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    Do you honestly believe that all christians or all muslims are true to their religions?
     
  15. Smoke

    Smoke Done here.

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    Also from the same site:
    5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.
    Of course, the problem is deciding who is innocent. Many Muslims obviously feel that no Americans, no Brits, and no Danes are innocent. No wonder:
    I have explained the concept of Universal Brotherhood, and spoken that the concept of brotherhood based on blood relationship, on race, on caste, and creed, etc… they cause disturbance – I have not spoken on the concept of Kafir. Brother, Kafir is an Arabic word, which comes from the root word Kufr – which means ‘to conceal’… ‘to conceal’, ‘to hide’. It also means ‘to reject’, ‘to conceal’, and in context… in Islamic context, it means that… ‘Any person who conceals or rejects the truth of Islam’ – anyone who rejects the truth of Islam is called as a Kafir. Means anyone who rejects the truth of Islam – that there is one God, and Allah (swt), all that I spoke – he is a Kafir. Any Brotherhood besides the brotherhood of Universal Brotherhood of faith, and the Islamic Brotherhood – if it falls in other brotherhood, based on anything – there can be a hundred types of Brotherhood. Brotherhood based on particular region – whether it be India, whether it be Pakistan, whether it be America – all these other brotherhoods, that is not in the per view of the brotherhood of faith… believing in the concept of one God – disturbs the Universal Brotherhood, including if you say that the Kafirs... the Brotherhood of Kafirs. Do they disturb?… Yes they disturb.
     
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  16. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    no thats what i meant
     
  17. Francine

    Francine New Member

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    “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, or acknowledge that Islam is the religion of Truth, even if they are Jews or Christians, until they submit to slavery to you willingly and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29
     
  18. Popeyesays

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    "Fight" does not always mean with fist or sword, you know. It also means with argument, thought, behavior and words.

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    YUSUFALI: But Allah did pour His calm on the Messenger and on the Believers, and sent down forces which ye saw not: He punished the Unbelievers; thus doth He reward those without Faith.
    PICKTHAL: Then Allah sent His peace of reassurance down upon His messenger and upon the believers, and sent down hosts ye could not see, and punished those who disbelieved. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
    SHAKIR: Then Allah sent down His tranquillity upon His Messenger and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved, and that is the reward of the unbelievers.
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    YUSUFALI: Again will Allah, after this, turn (in mercy) to whom He will: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
    PICKTHAL: Then afterward Allah will relent toward whom He will; for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
    SHAKIR: Then will Allah after this turn (mercifully) to whom He pleases, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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    YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
    PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
    SHAKIR: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
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    YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
    PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
    SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
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    YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
    PICKTHAL: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
    SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
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    YUSUFALI: They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
    PICKTHAL: They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
    SHAKIR: They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one Allah only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).
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    YUSUFALI: Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
    PICKTHAL: Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah disdaineth (aught) save that He shall perfect His light, however much the disbelievers are averse.
    SHAKIR: They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.
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    YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
    PICKTHAL: He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.
    SHAKIR: He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.
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    YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites, who in Falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah: announce unto them a most grievous penalty-
    PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom,
    SHAKIR: O you who believe! most surely many of the doctors of law and the monks eat away the property of men falsely, and turn (them) from Allah's way; and (as for) those who hoard up gold and silver and do not spend it in Allah's way, announce to them a painful chastisement,
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    YUSUFALI: On the Day when heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, their flanks, and their backs.- "This is the (treasure) which ye buried for yourselves: taste ye, then, the (treasures) ye buried!"
    PICKTHAL: On the day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of hell, and their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded therewith (and it will be said unto them): Here is that which ye hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what ye used to hoard.
    SHAKIR: On the day when it shall be heated in the fire of hell, then their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be branded with it; this is what you hoarded up for yourselves, therefore taste what you hoarded.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  19. Francine

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    It also takes two to fight, even with argument, thought, and words. And I refuse to do it. Which means if Muslims insist on fighting, they must resort to behavior. And that's when I leave it in the hands of the Department of Homeland Security.
     
  20. Smoke

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    Ah, the high, soft laughter of the dhimmis from the quarter.
     
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