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Do you have destiny?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by PopeADope, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Do you believe you have destiny ,or has everything you have done or achieved just happened through your efforts and by chance?
     
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    'mud ~~ Life is Stuff ~~
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    First.....explain destiny !
    And.....compare that to `free will` !
     
  3. 'mud

    'mud ~~ Life is Stuff ~~
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    Destiny occurs immediately after `now` !
    Does one control any small part of it, never !
     
  4. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    des·ti·ny
    /ˈdestinē/
    noun
    1. the events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future.
      "she was unable to control her own destiny"
      • the hidden power believed to control what will happen in the future; fate.
     
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    The Lord has made everything [to accommodate itself and contribute] to its own end and His own purpose--even the wicked [are fitted for their role] for the day of calamity and evil. --Proverbs 16:4

    A man's mind plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps and makes them sure. --Proverbs 16:9

    Many plans are in a man's mind, but it is the Lord's purpose for him that will stand. --Proverbs 19:21

    Man's steps are ordered by the Lord. How then can a man understand his way? --Proverbs 20:24

    O Lord [pleads Jeremiah in the name of the people], I know that [the determination of] the way of a man is not in himself; it is not in man [even in a strong man or in a man at his best] to direct his [own] steps. --Jeremiah 10:23

    For in this city there actually met and plotted together against Your holy Child and Servant Jesus, Whom You consecrated by anointing, both Herod and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles and peoples of Israel, to carry out all that Your hand and Your will and purpose had predestined (predetermined) should occur. --Acts 4:27-28

    And when the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified (praised and gave thanks for) the Word of God; and as many as were destined (appointed and ordained) to eternal life believed (adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Jesus as the Christ and their Savior). --Acts 13:48

    We are assured and know that [God being a partner in their labor] all things work together and are [fitting into a plan] for good to and for those who love God and are called according to [His] design and purpose. For those whom He foreknew [of whom He was aware and loved beforehand], He also destined from the beginning [foreordaining them] to be molded into the image of His Son [and share inwardly His likeness], that He might become the firstborn among many brethren. And those whom He thus foreordained, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified (acquitted, made righteous, putting them into right standing with Himself). And those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity and condition or state of being]. --Romans 8:28-30

    Even as [in His love] He chose us [actually picked us out for Himself as His own] in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy (consecrated and set apart for Him) and blameless in His sight, even above reproach, before Him in love. For He foreordained us (destined us, planned in love for us) to be adopted (revealed) as His own children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the purpose of His will [because it pleased Him and was His kind intent] --Ephesians 1:4-5

    [He planned] for the maturity of the times and the climax of the ages to unify all things and head them up and consummate them in Christ, [both] things in heaven and things on the earth. In Him we also were made [God's] heritage (portion) and we obtained an inheritance; for we had been foreordained (chosen and appointed beforehand) in accordance with His purpose, Who works out everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His [own] will, --Ephesians 1:10-11

    For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live]. --Ephesians 2:10

    [Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight. --Phillippians 2:13

    All citations from the Amplified Bible.
     
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  6. Jumi

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    I probably fulfilled my destiny when I found the meaning of life. Rest is just a free ride. ;)
     
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    My destiny is to merge back into Consciousness, the great unknown. The good thing is that I need not do anything to achieve that; just wait till it happens
     
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    As I can sometimes sense destiny (as with any sense, it can be clouded by different factors), I believe life is generally predetermined, though not necessarily by a sentient being.
     
  9. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    I believe we have our personal path, destiny, called svadharma, lit. "own duty" in Sanskrit. How it's laid out for us, I have no idea. It's probably closely tied to our karma.
     
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    No. I dont have a destiny. I learned by observation and personal experience I can't think far in advance to develop a calling or life goal. Life is by chance and, yes, with our own efforts we can adapt to chance than try to control what, by nature, can't be controlled.
     
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    When a tree spent his sap his destiny was ground. No, no destiny nor an acknowlegement of such a thing. A working man has no sins. Nor shall his efforts be in vaine.
     
  12. 'mud

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    Like Peggy says: "Is that all there is ?"
     
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    'Destiny' doesn't really make sense to me.
    Then again, I don't think it's my efforts plus chance that have positioned me in life. There are a lot more factors at play than that.
    (consider the efforts of those around me to support me as the very simplest example)
     
  14. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium सच्चिदानन्द
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    Everything that has transpired has happened as a result of my choices...

    ...that may or may not have been premeditated by Me. :)
     
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    The lazy man is worse than a donkey. One should never yield to laziness but strive to attain liberation, seeing that life is ebbing away every moment. Every day one must think of the impermanent body and struggle to conquer the animal nature. He must take recourse to association with good and virtuous people. One should not revel in the filth known as sense-pleasures, even as a worm revels in pus. By good deeds, good will return to you; by bad deeds, bad will return. Nowhere is there any God, fortune or fate. One who ignores his present ability for self-effort for fear of his past bad actions, might as well fear his own two arms, thinking them dangling vipers.

    One who thinks that fate or God is directing him, is brainless and the goddess of fortune abandons him. Hence, by self-effort, discrimination, good association and study of the scriptures, acquire wisdom. Then realize that self-effort will end — in the direct realization of the truth. But ignoring, or going against the traditional injunctions, will not work. One should not try to create a gemstone from an ordinary pebble. Those who do not believe in the long practiced and experienced truths of the wise, but depend upon God, luck or destiny, are fools called the "living dead." If lazy dullness, this dreadful source of evil, were not found on this earth, who would ever be illiterate or poor? It is because lazy ones rely, life after life, on God or fortune that this earth is full of people who live like animals, miserable and poverty-stricken.
     
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